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paulo - i think you know that all the additional equipment is worth naught to the want-to-be buyer... it is the value of the boat which counts and not what the former owner has installed, because you as a buyer is still going to throw out lots of stuff and bring new installations and what not on board...

btw: interesting how fox is building their hulls... scroll down: FoX Tech - FoX 10.20 - Gallery
i think i haven't seen before that one starts with a jig for the deck, lays out the whole deck structure and builds the hull on top of it...
why is the cockpit in glass-foam panels and not also from plywood?
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That's the asking price. You can say that he has made a circumnavigation but on the other end is a boat with less than three years. They have a lot of equipment on the boat from solar panels to an hidrogenerator and I don't know if a watermaker, but yes I believe they will not sell for that price. They have plenty of sails but not a furler. They are good sailors and like to use sails on a tuff luff but that for a solo sailor would not work. I believe they will sale for a lot less.

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They have a lot of sails that also did a circumnavigation... Same for the equipment. I'd say 80.000-90.000 is a realistic price.
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Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349

Prepare yourself for a rant:. Not that the 349 is a bad boat but precisely because it could be an exceptionally good cruiser and it is not, spoiled by some details that will have great influence on the way the boat functions and that includes cruising, not only performance cruising. That is nothing that pisses me more than a great boat spoiled by details

First the good things: Great Marc Lombard hull, great stability not only given by a moderated chined beamy hull (3.44m) but also very a good B/D ratio (30%) for this type of boat, considering keel and draft (1.98). Good weight too (5350kg). Possibility of a big square top mainsail.











Great interior by Jeanneau design, better in quality (design) than the one on the 379. Fantastic the separated shower of good dimensions on a 34ft boat and very good the holding tank capacity (80L) as well as the galley and the freezer dimensions. God storage on the interior. Very nice and comfortable.











On the cockpit, nice bathing platform, nice space for the wheels man, nice access to the main winch, nice place for the plotter, nice storage for the liferaft and fenders on the back of the boat.





So many nice things BUT look at this:



Yes, very nice ventilation and illumination for the aft cabin...the problem is that on the other side of the cockpit they have another hatch with the same size to access the main boat storage space. They are kidding me? This would be alright in a racing boat. It has advantages in what regards to keep the boat watertight in extreme conditions (and inversion) and it is a common solution on racing boats but on a cruising boat?

Yes they also have a small access through the shower but all the concept is plain ridiculous on this type of boat. You will not have a decent access to the big and deep looker and would have to go to the shower, pass a very small opening to manage to take out stuff from there to the cockpit. If they wanted this kind of solution, that has advantages, they would have to consider a rectangular bigger opening hatch. As now they don't have the space for it, the only solution would be to enlarge that acess trough a traditional cockpit locker. It would give some more acess space but they would have to provide illumination and ventilation in the traditional manner.

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Can someone explain to me the advantage of that small narrow space on the frontal part of the forward cabin???? It is ugly, serves no purpose and turned the anchor locker in a very small shallow one that will be even smaller when a winch is istalled

The standard version has not a geenaker pole but they have one option for one, this one:



It is nice but can't they see that the anchor roller is on a bad position and that the anchor is sideways making pressure against the fiberglass structure of the pole and is going to destroy it? The right way to have an anchor on that kind of pole is to have the bow roller and anchor stand integrated on the structure, otherwise it will be needed a very oddly designed bow roller, very sideways, not very effective and very ugly.

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Yes that's right, the boat does not have a genoa traveler, it has one of those 3D systems that are used on race boats...except that here they are not 3D because you have no way to regulate it and what it seems a coll thing coming from racing is just a way to save money on a traveler. On this boat you have very little control on the shape of the forward sail, specially when reefed or if you decide to use a bigger genoa. Cheap!!!

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On such a small boat a so monstrous cockpit table severely limits the space on the cockpit and thos one that is not removable. If they wanted a fixed one at least it should be one that folds completely, leaving a single hand grab at the middle. This one even folded is fat and wide...and for what? for having some storage space in the middle

and this ?



Okay, I understand the need of having a basic boat to sell cheaply but I don't understand why it is done in a way that prevents upgrading the boat. Yes, having only one winch for the main and the geenaker or the frontal sail is a nice way to save money but why to have a boat with an option of a big square mainsail (a sports option) and not allowing the possibility of having separated winches for the mainsail and geenaker (or frontal sail)?

In fact the way the boat is rigged (in a very definitive way) prevents the addition of a second winch on the cockpit...and it would be easy, it would only be needed the elimination of that useless triangle on the cockpit seat and to enlarge with that space the bench and put there a second winch, or even easier, to have a version with a removable cockpit table, or one that folds in the cockpit and allow a sportier version with the mainsheet coming to a traveler on the cockpit trough a purchase system. The mainsail with a square top is not meant to turn the boat on a more sportier one? Than what is the point with so many limitations in what regards sail control?

I am quite sure that the hull potential of this boat deserved a more sportive version and that is prevented by many limitations on the way the boat is designed (cockpit) and rigged. It does not make sense to me.

The tendency today (a logical one) is to have a good fast basic hull that allows for a boat that can be modified in many versions, from an inexpensive basic cruiser to a performance cruiser or even a cruiser racer. Salona and Dehler are very good examples of that trend that allows for a boat to suit many, with gains on the costs. The Jeanneau 349 is regretfully a very bad example, and the sad thing is that the hull has the potential to create a truly polivalent boat with several versions to different types of sailors.

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How much friction do those stainless line guides that go over the cabin top to the coaming add to the sail handling?

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Not much. I saw those pieces in Dusseldorf. The angle is not big. But I saw also better and I intend to buy those for my sailboat, for the reefs and for that effect also.


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Wow...just noticed that there are 17 clutches in the cockpit, but the deck organizer are only three on each side. Figuring then six from the mast, two for jib sheets, one for furling line and maybe two for double main sheeting, any idea what the other 6 clutches would be for?

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Can someone explain to me the advantage of that small narrow space on the frontal part of the forward cabin???? It is ugly, serves no purpose and turned the anchor locker in a very small shallow one that will be even smaller when a winch is istalled

Maybe be the narrow recess in the forepeak (that has compromised the anchor locker) is designed for some long tall guy/girl to stretch his/her foot (maybe both feet) and to get them locked.

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I just noticed: 1.000 (one thousand!) "likes".
Congratulations Paulo and all the other faithful contributors to this excellent thread.

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ORC world championship 2014

The world championship is alternately on the Baltic and on the Med. Last year it was in Italy, Ancona, next year it will be in Germany in Kiel.Entries opened 2 months ago and they have already over 125 entrants for a competition that it will take place more than 6 months from now.

Almost for sure the number of entries it will be the biggest ever and they have already boats from 13 nationalities including title winners and vice champions of 2012 and 2013.

It sounds good for ORC that is on the rise. Lots of interesting boats among them the Neo 400.

Let's take the opportunity to have a look at last year's world Championship that took place in Ancona on the choppy med waters and remember the Podium and the champions:

Class A:

1St:TP52 Hurakan - Marco Serafini
2nd:TP52 Aniene - Rinaldi - Martin
3rd:TP52 Enfant Terrible - Alberto Rossi

Class B:

1St: NM 38 Scugnizza - Vincenzo De Blasio
2nd: Comet 38S Uka Uka Racing -Uka Uka Racing
3rd: First 35 South Kensington - Alessandro Consiglio







and Kiel the city where the 2014 world Championship will be held:

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Vor: more entries

A Turkish one, or should I say American

That's a Turkish boat:



but it will be sailed by the All Americans Ocean racing team.

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They are young, talented and inexperienced on the VOR or circumnavigation races. Nice for them to have a chance.

Another new team is the Dutch Team Brunel:



The skipper will be the Veteran Bouwe Bekking. It will be his 7th VOR and second as skipper and this will be a all Dutch team....and they are looking for sailors, so if you are a Dutch and a good sailor...

"Meet Brunel skipper Bouwe Bekking and his crew members. Are you a professional sailor? Find out how to join the crew here!"


https://www.facebook.com/bouwebekking

It seems to me that this time the "Girls" will have a more than fair chance to win the next VOR: They seem to me one of the more professional teams and one with sailors with the best qualifications, not to mention hard training with the boat.


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