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I just noticed: 1.000 (one thousand!) "likes".
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Let's have a look at an interesting new racer by Hakes Marine the HH42, a NZ boat designed by Judel and VrolijK.





It seems she can go fast



But a bit wet isn't it ? I guess that a more pronounced chine on the bow, a bit like the 40class racers have, would give them a much more comfortable ride but maybe not faster. Well if you want to go really fast you will get wet, that's for sure but these guys seem to be exaggerating

For the guys that race in fast boats: They should not be all on the back of the boat, starboard side, to raise the bow?
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Coville stopped his attempt to get the world record for a singlehanded circumnavigation due to a high risk of ice in the southern ocean and no real chance to beat Joyon's record...
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Coville stopped his attempt to get the world record for a singlehanded circumnavigation due to a high risk of ice in the southern ocean and no real chance to beat Joyon's record...
That ice story is a an excuse. In fact he got caught in the Doldrums and was already a 1000 NM behind Joyon's time.

From the three that went for records only Armel has succeed (Lionel Lemonchois capsized) and what a success: 2 times the 24 hours solo record beaten and the Atlantic crossing in the incredible time of 6 jours 23 heures 42 minutes at the amazing average speed of 23.2K. To give you an idea of this fantastic performance, the anterior record (2013) was from Joyon and was beaten by 1 day and almost 17 hours. The deference of average speed is huge: 18.7K to 23.2K.

That was faster than the best time with a full crew 7 years ago.

It seems that Armel Le Cleach has successfully made its transition from monohulls to multihulls

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Sydney GTS 43

I saw the boat in Dusseldorf and I was really impressed. The boat really looks good, very well built and with a surprisingly good interior for this type of cruiser-racer that is more used for racing than for cruising. Better than a Pogo 12.50 for instance: it even has doors

The only thing the really points for a racer are the suspended bunks that are easily removable and can be substituted by a shelf for books that enters the same supports.

For the type of boat with top performance the price has to be high but I was expecting more. The basic price is 319 000 euros.

I thought that this was the first Sydney GTS43 made by Salona but it turned out that they have already made and sold 10 boats and that is very good for this kind of extreme performance cruiser. I expressed my surprise to Nenad (the sales manager from Salona) and said that probably they are starting to win and they are going to have a lot more commands. Nenad replied : "that's what I am afraid off. These boats are very difficult to build"

Just to give you an idea of the performances of this boat it is enough to say that from 45º to 120º true wind and with 4K to 8K wind the boat is always faster then the wind. With 4K wind between 60º and 120º the boat is always over 5K, doing almost 6K at 100º. At that angle with 5K wind the boat makes 7K

With 16K wind goes at more than 13K, with 20K wind over 16K and with 30K wind over 20K.

These are performances of a racer. What really impresses is that this boat can be used as a performance cruiser or a cruiser racer, certainly one of the faster.

I will not talk about the boat dimensions since I had already posted about that, just some photos and a movie... (Beautiful boat):



























I asked about the 37 and no, they had not yet made any boat but I learn that the demand of information about the 37 had been big on the boat show and that means that we will see one soon. The 37 will cost about 260 000 euros (base price) and for the ones that will dream in cruising one of these fast boats it will be a better option, since the 43 is too much boat to be handled by a solo sailor. Contrary to the Pogo 12.50 it is not a forgiven boat, designed to be solo sailed and will demand a crew to be sailed near its potential, specially downwind.
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Hmmm, the salesperson that showed me the Sydney told me that there were only very few requests for the 37... He also said that compared to an Australian Sydney the build quality at Salona is a lot better.

One of the floor-boards was so flexible that they had to prop it up...
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The floorboards on the Sydney GTS43 at Dusseldorf were extraordinarily squeaky -- I'm not sure they would necessarily have turned out that squeaky even if someone had tried to make them squeaky! Squeaky floorboards are a pet peeve of mine.

I really went on the GTS43 though to get a different view of the Azuree 46 across from it (which happily passed my squeaky floorboard test).
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The floorboards on the Sydney GTS43 at Dusseldorf were extraordinarily squeaky -- I'm not sure they would necessarily have turned out that squeaky even if someone had tried to make them squeaky! Squeaky floorboards are a pet peeve of mine.

I really went on the GTS43 though to get a different view of the Azuree 46 across from it (which happily passed my squeaky floorboard test).
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I confess that I did not noticed any squeaky floorboards on the Sydney GTS43. Maybe they were but sure If I had not noticed than I would have not be worried about that, I am not particularly annoyed with it. But certainly the ones on Azuree are heavier as well as everything, except ballast.

The Azuree are relatively light boats but are comparatively much more heavier than the Sydney, specially if we consider the much bigger B/D ratio of the Sydney. The Azuree 40 weights 7100kg, the 46 10700kg. the Sydney 43 weights 6950kg. You have to accept some compromises to have the weight and performance of a boat like the Sydney and slightly squeaky floorboards (if you say so) are not a bad compromise.

You cannot look to the Azuree the same way you look to the Sydney. They are not comparable boats nor they point to the same type of sailors or market. I find both great boats for what they are designed to do.

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Christopher Dragon is another Sydney GTS that raced down in Florida the past couple of weeks. A sweet lookin ride with it's low cut dog house, straight bow, long sprint...
Being a new boat the results didn't show. Probably in conservation mode during the Ft Lauderdale-Key West race they finished 5th, 2 hours behind the HPR Carkeek 40 and about 30 minutes faster than two Swan 42's. Better during the Key West Race Week they finished 4th against other 40' + Swans, J's, Ker and Mills boats.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I certainly don't look at these two boats the same way, as I fully appreciate that they're aimed at different market segments. That said, I wasn't overly impressed by the fit and finish on the GTS43. Good fit and finish may add expense but needn't add weight.

But, as I said, I was on the GTS43 largely as a platform from which to view the Azuree 46 (they were adjacent at the show) and not in order to make a boat-to-boat comparison. I'm not (this time around) in the market for a primarily race boat.
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Christopher Dragon is another Sydney GTS that raced down in Florida the past couple of weeks. A sweet lookin ride with it's low cut dog house, straight bow, long sprint...
Being a new boat the results didn't show. Probably in conservation mode during the Ft Lauderdale-Key West race they finished 5th, 2 hours behind the HPR Carkeek 40 and about 30 minutes faster than two Swan 42's. Better during the Key West Race Week they finished 4th against other 40' + Swans, J's, Ker and Mills boats.
As you know the Sydney GTS 43 can be raced fast in real time and in compensated. as you probably know this one:



Won two years ago the Sydney- Hobart overall and finished among the big boats leaving behind in real time many pure race boats.

They didn't enter this year's race and I was quite disappointed with that.

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