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Bavaria 41s

Contrary to other mass market cruisers that offer performance versions the one from Bavaria is a more serious one with a lighter boat, a true deep lead keel (2.30) a bigger and better mast, Carbon spy pole and composite steering wheels, backstay adjuster more sail area, main sheet system with ball bearing cockpit traveler, genoa cars with trim line system, 6 cockpit winches (instead of 4 and bigger), removable cockpit table and an open transom. All sail hardware is of better quality.

The boat is used for serious racing in Germany, particularly the Match racing German leg of the World's championship. Here the previous boat, the 40s.



The keel is IRC optimized and the boat has a good rating. It can be an interesting option for someone that don't want to spend more on a performance cruiser but want a competitive boat that is also a great cruiser since the interior is the same.

As usual they are lousy at Bavaria in what regards information and we cannot have the weight of this boat. They give it as being heavier 260 kg regarding the cruiser when this boat has less ballast, has not the big swimming platform and has lighter components. A relatively heavy boat anyway.

The boat looks a lot nicer with the Open transom:







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Cornish Crabber 26

These boats exist for so many years that once it was just the boat that I wanted to own...30 years ago. But a boat that lasts for so many years have to have its own charms, even considering that the British are among the most conservative sailors in the world.



Yes, they are not fast neither they point sharp but certainly they sail with style and that can be fun too; besides they have an incredibly nice interior for a 26ft boat. Don't miss this video, way better than the first and you will understand what I mean with charm: Look how the owner is enthusiastic about his boat, he loves it...a lot. The boat has its charms I tell you

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Eigenwilliger Englšnder Cornish Crabber 26 - Yacht TV - Segel Videos von Europas grŲŖtem Yacht Magazin

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I certainly don't look at these two boats the same way, as I fully appreciate that they're aimed at different market segments. That said, I wasn't overly impressed by the fit and finish on the GTS43. Good fit and finish may add expense but needn't add weight.
You shouldn't forget it was the famous "hull no. one" for Salona.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Morgan LagraviŤre at the helm of the new Safran - Vendťe Globe 2012-2013

New skipper and a new 'Safran' for the 2016 VG!
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Who would have guessed? I believe that there are several more talented young sailors to promote directly to the top but who knows what is behind this "promotion" to the top ranks? His achievements are not impressive in what regards solo sailing. maybe they are seeing something I don't (they should know better) or maybe it is just not all about sailing.


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167/ and this is supposed to mean what, that you don't agree with what I have said?

The Solo French solo offshore championship regards only the Figaro class, leaves outside the 40class solo championship that is the logical next step before Open 60.

The Figaro offshore solo championship is a coastal offshore championship that only in 2013 included a Transat.

As you can see in 2012 LAGRAVIERE won it based on regularity.

http://www.medrace.fr/extras/Classem...%C3%A9_FFV.pdf

and you can see also on last year solo offshore championship he had not made better that 12th.

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/web/evenem...ent_CFECLS.pdf

Morgan LagraviŤre never won any Transat contrary to several that in my opinion have a far better curriculum and were a more logical choice for a top Open60 to race the next vendee globe. Here you have some:


Fabien Delahaye

PalmarŤs - Fabien Delahaye | Macif Course au large

Erwan Tabarly

That was second on the 2012 French solo offshore championship and has already won a Transat in Figaro and been 2nd and 3rd on another two:


Sťbastien Rogues:

Sebastien Rogues | The skipper

Thomas Ruyant


Face to these sailors, all relatively young, the curriculum of Morgan LagraviŤre is not a big one:

Morgan LagraviŤre - Safran Sailing Team

I am not saying that he is not the best choice, just that it not seems the more logical one.

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X yachts: X6

I have posted briefly about the X6 when the boat was announced but this boat deserves much more: It is a new approach from X yachts to cruising. After the XP series for performance cruising and racing, the Xc series for cruising, in quite a classical type of offshore boats, X yachts come with a new line for offshore cruising, pointing to blue water boats more modern and possibly faster than the rather classic XC line.

The first one it will be a 60 ft and we have already more images of the boat that will give us a good idea of the boat:



























The boat is described this way by X yachts:

"The X6 represents the first in a new development of performance cruising yachts. The twin-rudder X6 will utilise the same hi-tech construction techniques as X-Yachts adopted to build their latest generation Xp racer-cruisers, including vacuum infused epoxy with localised carbon for strength, stiffness and stability. It also comes from the same drawingboard as the award-winning Xcruising family.

Combining the best elements of these two world-beating ranges will be an all-new, luxurious and impressively fast collection of performance cruising yachts for state of the art bluewater sailing.

The first model will be in the 60-foot range, a sector which is dominated by traditionally styled, relatively heavy cruising yachts. In developing their latest model, by using the Xp construction techniques, X-Yachts sets out to achieve a 15-20 per cent weight saving over a traditionally built 60ft cruiser, while offering improved performance and amenities compared to Mediterranean-style 'daysailer' yachts. The new models will be offered with a wide choice of sail options, with high priority given to ensuring the yacht is easily handled with just one or two crew.....

The mainsheet may be led down to the cockpit sole (as standard) or onto a carbon arch, offered as an option to create a clear and safe cockpit. High specification deck gear includes furling headsails with optional hydraulic rams, self-tacking jibs, and an inner forestay, all designed to create an adaptable and easily managed sail plan....

The huge transom garage combines storage for a Jet RIB tender of up to 3.2m, with roller launch system and integral powered winch....

The X6īs hull is designed to meet the demands from sailors, who want to enjoy sailing in a wide range of conditions. Opposite to the mainstream trends of yachts with a very modern appearance, X6 is meant to be enjoyable and easily controllable in more than just Ďreachingí conditions. The upwind performance and sea keeping has been given a lot of attention whilst choosing design parameters and various aspect ratios.

Achieving comfort when sailing to windward in a rough sea was an essential prerequisite in the X6 hull design. Deep V sections, modest displacement, generous stability, and a powerful yet easy to handle sail plan offer smooth sailing through the waves. This combined with the thoroughbred X-Yachts
racing heritage delivers a new generation of world class cruising yachts."


Very Italian in the hull concept...I would nor mind to live permanently in something like that

As you can see this is another big modern fast cruiser designed to be solo or duo crewed and it will be more modern and fast than their very traditional line of XC cruisers that are meant to compete with Halberg-Rassy and the like. This one is another story...a nicer one in my opinion

http://www.x-yachts.com/files/$misc/X6%20brochure_final.pdf

They talk about a performance cruiser but that is to be taken with a grain of salt. The boat weights 29.5T while the Salona 60, a direct competitor heights only 24.0T.

I visited the Salona 60 on Dusseldorf and it is just an incredible boat, no doubt fast, with all controls at the wheels, also meant to be sailed solo or by a crew. It has also a great interior... a true house and a fast one too

Salona 60


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The Salona is not only a lot lighter, it also looks better in my opinion...
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