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To be accurate Paulo that is not a "round transom". That is no transom. We call that a "double ender" and it is exactly what the client asked for. As for stability, we have lots of it with 10' draft and a big bulb the VPP's show the boat be very stilff and the LPS is around 162 degrees! Walking around on the boat at the dock it doesn't move. This is something took into consideration as part of the normal design process. I don't guess.

Luca Brenta has been a favorite designer of mine for many years. I love his work. But he has his style and I have mine. I'll just continue doing my style. In can still admire Brenta's work. If my work annoys you then that's not my problem. My style is in no way connected to your taste in yachts. I suspect we eat different food. We wear different clothes. We listen to diferent music. We like different boats. Diversity is a good thing.
Bob, I like many types of yachts including some of yours. Here in what we seem to disagree is in what we call a performance boat and regarding a performance boat concept, being it a racer, a daysailer or a cruiser.

your work does not annoy me. You calling me silly does annoys me.

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Talking 'bout chines...the new RM 890 is sailing! I'm wondering if that reverse bow aids with a softer dig-in.
The effect if any will be a very marginal one regarding a straight bow. The bow is just slightly inverted. Some more cm on the water line I suppose.

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The effect if any will be a very marginal one regarding a straight bow. The bow is just slightly inverted. Some more cm on the water line I suppose.

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Any word on when they will update the RM1060? It seems like the other day it was launched and suddenly it's the oldest design of their fleet! I saw your post on a bigger one. Impressive. Also Pogo's 10.50 is looking dated after the launch of the 50 & 30. Funny, you can scroll back on the 600+ pages of this thread and pinpoint when all of these came out.
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Any word on when they will update the RM1060? It seems like the other day it was launched and suddenly it's the oldest design of their fleet! I saw your post on a bigger one. Impressive. Also Pogo's 10.50 is looking dated after the launch of the 50 & 30. Funny, you can scroll back on the 600+ pages of this thread and pinpoint when all of these came out.
No, the RM is a pretty recent boat. I guess you will have to wait more 2 or 3 years for a remake of the boat, probably a MKII using the same hull.

Yes the Pogo 10,50 I believe it will be sooner even if the boat has a fantastic performance the ones that buy that type of boat like to have boats that benefice of all new developments so I believe you will see soon a Pogo 10,50 with a new hull, one with chines

But I believe that the biggest news will come from Benetau and from the First series were several boats have already several years. They have no more the First 50 available on their site. If you remember, the 50 was the first of the new line and defined the looks of all the line (till the 35ft) so the new model will be very important because I think it will have that role again.

The 50ft was designed by Philipe Briand as well as the 45. The 45 proved well racing and sold well but the 40 that is a lot alike but was designed by Farr did not so well. The boat proved well in racing but never was a popular performance cruiser (very small anchor locker). The 35 that was designed by Farr is the more popular boat, specially in what regards performance cruising.

The First 30 is a JK design but it was a bit of a flop in what regards racing and cruising. The boat looked really great but in what regards rating things were very difficult. It is not also a popular boat in what regards performance cruising.

So I am very curious. Who is going to design the big one? One of the above or a specialist in IRC racing? Farr has not being making many new designs on the last two years, with exception from some Bavaria and the VOR 65.

One thing is for sure, First needs better boats on the First line to have the same success he had with the 44.7, 40.7 and 36,7, or maybe the competition from Dehler, Salona and Elan is now much more though.

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"But I believe that the biggest news will come from Benetau and from the First series were several boats have already several years. "
I totally agree. It's time and they have been always a reference.

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" First 30 is a JK design but it was a bit of a flop in what regards racing and cruising. The boat looked really great but in what regards rating things were very difficult.
That's when they started using chines on a heavy boat, right?
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What a surprise, BAVARIA anounced the BAVARIA EASY 9.7 , 49950€ , on a first sight this boat looks interesting on it's price .
The propose for a day sailing with family and friends very similar to 37ft yacht.
What is surprose for me is the price so low, how it is going to affect to other Bavaria models, with a similiar lenght. How people should analise this boat before buying it?
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That's when they started using chines on a heavy boat, right?
Yes the First 30 was on the first performance cruisers with chine but this is mostly a regatta boat and chines here would not be of much help. I believe the problems have to do with the boat being designed a bit like a miniature VOR, with a big transom, great for stability but not good for rating or upwind sailing. Interesting for Ocean sailing but not for what it was designed for.

The boat is also heavy and the ballast is not much. They have tried to better the boat and I believe the First 30R is a better boat but it does not even appear on the Benetau page. One of the problems is that First counts very little for the business volume of Benetau and they don't seem to care much, certainly much less than brands like Salona that are always trying to better the boats.

Have a look at the Beneteau 31R:



Beneteau First 30 - R Version

Lighter, cored hull, more ballast, more draft.

One of the problems is that they have become obsolete in what regards hull building techniques for performance boats: Who still use solid polyester hulls in performance boats

That is responsible for more weight and less hull rigidity. Yes I know they make also the 40 on a much more expensive version, a bit like the R, with cored hulls but that is not also advertised. Much more expensive boats anyway.

The truth is that the First line has become a mess in what regards Beneteau. It should have an independent management.

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The Big RM

Some more photos and information: what a boat















The interior layout is great including a big Dinghy garage and a frontal big sail locker. the boat will be very fast and light. the preliminary designs show two big water ballast (2T each) and a swing keel but all that can be still changed. As usual on RM, a Marc Lombard Design.
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Yes, they are not only nice and elegant as they have been training hard, not to mention they are all great sailors. For what I have seen they risk to start the VOR as a favorite team and that would be a first.

I really don't know SCA products and I am not obviously a client but I will tell you that if my family needs some of the stuff they sell, I will gladly buy their products over the competition even if they cost some cents more. It is great what they are doing for sailing.
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Italians and solo racing.

A bit all over Europe duo and solo racing is on the increase and I will bet that in some years it will be the more popular type of offshore club racing.

Many classic races include now a duo crew category and as all know, the Fastnet was last year won overall by a duo crew.

If we don't consider the French races (that lead this type of racing for many years and were the first to start it) one of the oldest is the Roma per due, that is raced along with a full crewed race (Roma per tuti).

This year's edition will have a big new, They opened a new category: Rome x 1, a solo category on the race.

They will start from Rome, will turn around at Lipari and will return to Rome:

http://www.romaper2.com/pub/news/image_news.php?id=163

The inscriptions are open and they have already many on the solo category, with very different types of boats.

If you are interested, the race will take place at 6 /4/2014:

Roma per Due - Roma per Tutti

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