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Classics on the next Route du Rhum



Not what you would have expected as Classics and yet they are classics, old fast racers whose performance cannot match modern ones but certainly still very enjoyable boats to race.

Many other races have boats of this "vintage" as favorites but we know that on this one all the cream of solo racers will be there.

They could extend the idea and have a class for Open60's with no canting keel: Lots of them around doing minor races. That would bring even more interest to the big one that in what regards relevance and solo racing only has an equal on the Vendee Globe, even if the last one has much less types of boats racing.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Holy cow Paulo:
You are really spending way too much time and energy fighting me. I'm very flatterred.

But I have a suggestion that could be useful for you:
If you go to where you can edit your preferences for this forum there is a place where you can put people on "ignore". They have it on Sailing Anarchy too. I don't use it but some do. It works until someone quotes you. Then you can't block the quote. But for you it would serve to have my posts on ignore and you would not have to read them. This would be good for you too Eric. Better than pissing and moaning.

Because, I'm not going anywhere and I have no intention of "behaving". I never have.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Sigh. Another thread ruined by out of control egos.

Bob, you don't belong on this thread. Its for modern boats. None of your designs are cutting edge. Stop pretending.
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Gee Burt can't recall ever saying I was cutting edge. You must have me mistaken with someone else. I'll never be "cutting edge". But I can enjoy it.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Thread title says "Interesting Boats" not necessarily for "modern".

Personally, I like older looking/styled boats more. The "modern" ones usually don't interest me much but they're still nice to look at to see design features.

Something about Jakatan makes it a beautiful boat that I would be more interested in myself. Beautiful craftsmanship. Makes me want to learn more about boat building. Everyone has different tastes. Doesn't mean one style should be omitted from this thread because someone else doesn't like it.
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You are really spending way too much time and energy fighting me.... I have no intention of "behaving". I never have.
Bob, not fighting you. Fighting your bad manners, rude behavior and arrogance and not even in absolute terms but just in this thread.

Here I make a point that everybody, starting by me behaves nicely. Rudeness is definitively out as well as meaningless comments. Maybe it time for you to learn how to behave otherwise you don't have a place here, you or anybody that does not know or want to "behave". This thread is interesting and lasted so long because posters around (starting by me) know how to behave and understand the importance of that even when they disagree with others.

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If you go to where you can edit your preferences for this forum there is a place where you can put people on "ignore"....This would be good for you too Eric. Better than pissing and moaning.
Bob if i ignored what posters say on this thread it would not be an interesting thread anymore. Everybody could say what they want and all type of nonsense would have the same factual value for the ones that follow it (and they are many) and say that use this thread as a learning tool.

If I had done so things like an OVNI 39 having a similar performance as a XP 38 or that modern chines are used on cruising boats only by fashion reasons or that Computer Fluid Dynamics is not a very important tool in what regards sailboat design development or that the new Hunter 40 has a nice sailing hull would pass as truth and I would not allow that because it is just not factually true.

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I like this thread. It is informative. Show me the boats. I can form my own opinions.
Yes Bob, you can use the thread for having a view about what is made regarding the best contemporary design, you can form your own opinions what you can't do is posting like your own opinions are the definitive true about the subject. After all if that was so you would not be looking at cutting edge designs on this thread but designing them.

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Thread title says "Interesting Boats" not necessarily for "modern".

Personally, I like older looking/styled boats more. The "modern" ones usually don't interest me much but they're still nice to look at to see design features.

Something about Jakatan makes it a beautiful boat that I would be more interested in myself. Beautiful craftsmanship. Makes me want to learn more about boat building. Everyone has different tastes. Doesn't mean one style should be omitted from this thread because someone else doesn't like it.
Nobody wants to omitte any style from this thread but the title of a thread does not say all about it. On the first post the object of the thread is clearly defined and the first sentence is:

"THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out)."


There are many other threads for the ones that like you prefer older designs. This one is about contemporary design.

Nothing wrong about some designs that don't fit this criteria to be posted now an then on this thread, just because they are beautiful, even if they are not the object of this thread.

I have made complete informative and extensive posts about Jakatan and silver, the two last Bob designs. I don't want pictures of them appearing out of contest on the thread like mushrooms, as it have happened already and its happening all the time in the Steel boat thread.

Bob Perry have posted many photos of boats he finds interesting on this thread .... all about his designs. I have already suggested to Bob to open one thread about his designs or if he does want a more broad subject, about classic designs made today, one where we could all see in detail his own work.

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Flaar 26 - Attila Déry and Nándor Fa

My personal WOW!!!! factor this year at Dusseldorf boat show goes to a small racer made and designed in Hungary by Attila Déry and Nándor Fa, some photos (some mine) for you to understand why:















The boat as a lifting keel and water ballasts. It is meant for solo or short crew racing but it can also provide good fun with a crew.

They say about it:

Concept
A unique design method resulted in a hull that has extremely low wetted surface, which becomes even smaller but remains symmetrical when the boat heels. The boat itself is still wide enough to give the needed righting moment against the huge sails.

Standard equipment:
carbon mast with two spreaders, carbon boom and central bowsprit, carbon fin of 30 kg and lead bulb of 440 kg (liftable), 2 carbon rudders, 4 berths.

waterballast - transfer by gravity and/or electric pump
magnetic valves
reversible winches
backstay high gear-ratio - tensioning can be done by hand or by winching.

Specifications
Length LOA: 8.0 m
Waterline length LWL: 7.95 m
Max beam B: 2.82 m
Displacement DSPL: 900 kg
Keel: 470 kg
Draft: 2.0 m
Main: 32 m2
Jib: 20 m2
Genakker: 85/115 m2
Mast length: 12.0 m
Crew max: 6
Crew racing: 1/3


Of course the hull is carbon. We are going to heard more about Attila Déry and Nándor Fa. The first is a very young and talented NA the former an old Vendee Globe racer. The combined experience has allowed for some very interesting boats that I will post later, among them a new Open'60 for the next Vendee globe, already designed and on the building stage.

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Spirit of Hungry, new Open 60 (IMOCA).

That's the boat designed by Attila Déry and Nándor Fa for the next vendee globe. It seems not clear if Nándor intends to sail it...if so that is a shame, he is quite old and should be coaching new talents that could sail the boat at 100%.





The hull seems quite conventional for an Imoca boat even if on the heavy side, with lots of ballast. He says the boat conforms to the new rules in what regards max righting moment but I have some doubts: The boat has the same beam of the winner of last edition but more 700kg of ballast. It is also 1100kg heavier.

The boat

I don't know also if it has already the new standardized mast and keel but it seems they have allowed him to carry on.

IMOCA General Assembly in Paris

Interesting anyway and one boat to follow. I don't think it will be competitive but than I might be wrong. We will see it on the race track

An interview with Nándor Fa about the boat and his conformity with the IMOCA rules:

Spirit of Hungary ocean sailing project ? Technical details by IMOCA rules
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Crazy stuff: You really don't need a big boat to coastal cruise.

Well, that's solo sailing...We have already talked here a lot about that Mini racer that has a bath tube boat, but this one makes the Mini looks giant. It has a bathtube bow too...but contrary to the mini it is the size of a true bath tube.



The truth is that thing can sail. It even has two retractable daggerboards to go "better" upwind
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Mini J class and "La copa"

Since we are talking about mini sailboats and crazy stuff let me tell you about La Copa:

I think everybody have seen an know those little funny boats that look like a miniature Americas's cup boat , just for a single sailor and that are a ISAF class, the one for handicapped sailors? But maybe you don't know that each year some of the best French sailors race on them in a race called "La Copa" that takes place in Trinité-sur-Mer at almost Christmas time.

Kind of funny to see sailors used to sail solo 60ft big multihulls, 40 class racers and Figaros and other classes racing hard on those little boats and I say hard because even if they take it in good fun, none of those guys like to lose

This year they joined among others Alain Gautier, Marc Guillemot, Thomas Ruyant, Erwan le Roux, Jeremie Beyou, Corentin Horeau, Morgan Lagraviere and Jean-Pierre Nicol.

Look at them:



The race was won by a less known sailor, from the J80 series, Quentin Delapierre.

Racing in little boats seems to be fun since their popularity is on the raise and not only among handicapped sailors. Here you have a Mini 12er designed by judel & vrolijk, great for match racing:

Mini 12er from Andreas Lindlahr on Vimeo.

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