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Tan 66

Since we are talking about new big cats we should talk about the Tan 66, a VPLP design and built by Marsaudon Composites.







A very interesting interview with the designer:



A not less interesting interview with the builder, a top carbon specialist, Marsaudon Composite:

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Sir Perry,

This forum is about interesting sailboats. You’re a NA, so I appreciate your expert opinion. About interesting sailboats.

Not about the way Paulo runs this excellent thread. With respect. And mannered.
Nor about your hifi. Or your dogs. Or your personal hygiene. There I’m the expert. I’m a urologist.

It's not about you. It's about interesting sailboats.

Regards,

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Point taken Eric.
I have personal hygene issues all under control but I'll confer with you if the need arises.
For now I'll just treat this like a public forum.
I enjoy the dialogue. When it is a dialogue.
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...This is a public forum. People can voice their opinions here....
I read all the posts. Sometimes I choose to comment, sometimes I don't. Do you have a problem with that? ...
No I don't have a problem with you commenting about the posts and subjects that are being discussed. I am interested in that. I have problems with meaningless posts, unfounded comments or a rude way to address me or other members and I have a problem with you considering that your view on a subject is more valid than others:

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Quoting Vimes "I am sorry, but you obviously did not get my point."...
That happens around here.
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That commenty is just plain silly.
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Chill Paulo. You are not the Pope.
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.. Paulo... obviously feels threatened. ..
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I think you guys are selling chines. You act like car salesmen selling a tacked on spoiler. Are the chines built in China? Is that why you call them "chines"?

I'll say it slowly this time:
I have designed many boats with chines.
Once again:
I have designed many boats with chines.

This is my business. I am not a hobbyist.
I understand chines.
I understand chines

I have owned chined boats.
I have owned chined boats

...

Tsia chien
Shin nien qui ler
....
That is a really stupid statement. ...
Tsai chien
Gong hay fat choy
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Get real Paulo. ....
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You don't get it.
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How do you "dispense" the chines? Rules don't let you throw things overboard while racing.
" Hey wait a minute,,,,Didn't you guys have chines at the beginning of the race?"
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One problem in this thread is to continue to look at this like a 2 dimensional problem. ..

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I love that new X Yacht.
No chines?
They must be behind the times or not know what they are doing.
Or, really know what they are doing. Yes, I think that's it.

Ha!
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The information is all in my last post. Read slowly.

The boat review was the Sun Odessey349. Don't recall the publication but it was English. I think they generally do the best and most honest job. ....

Clear?
(It was not the Sun Odyssey 349 but the Dufour 410, as later Bob Perry remember correctly)

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I rarely shower. I smell like my dogs, I wear woolen shirts. My hair looks funny. I own two pair of shoes. I'm not Euro.

(I do have an amazing, very expensive hi-fi system probably cost as much as your yacht)....
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My mother's maiden name was Nanelli. Does that help?
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The term "skiff" comes from the name of the inventor, Archilbald W. Skiff.
(Bob Perry invented that one)

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Its Wednesday already and I haven't used either of those words yet this week.
Yes, this is a Public forum and this is a public thread but I have being pretty much running this thread. It is not about my opinion but I have been moderating the discussion here, on this thread.

All that are around, viewing it and contributing and made this one of the most popular boat thread on the net know that I try to have an open mind and accept (and thanks) all well founded contributions. They know that I try to integrate all contributions on the body of knowledge and information that this thread contains. If they would not find that way certainly they would stop following this thread.

However I will not allow anybody to have the privilege to be right, just because that's the way he thinks about it, being it a racer, a NA or a cruiser.

Your particular opinion will always be heard with attention, particularly because you are a NA but we are not designing boats and we certainly will not retain your opinion over the opinion of other NAs specially when they are contributing actively to the evolution of sail boat design, as you have done brilliantly in the past.

This thread is about interesting sailboats with a particular focus on the present and the future.

New tendencies and the state of the art in what regards new contributions to sailboat design presented and used by the most significant contemporary NA is of the essence as well to understand them and why they work, since most of them have being proved in racing by those same NAs before using them on their cruising sailboats, many of them mass produced and sailed by thousands.

Off course, Your particular opinion about yacht design, the way you see it and your present work will be of interest to all and I, as I am sure all, are very happy to have you as a member, but regarding that I second what has been proposed already and think it would be very interesting if you open a Bob Perry thread, posted and discussed there your views and your work, instead of doing that on a Steel's boat thread or here.

Of course, you will always be very welcomed here in what regards discussing subjects or boats, but not in this spirit: "I have designed many boats with chines. This is my business. I am not a hobbyist."

On this threads we don't have Popes. You don't need to be an Artist to be a an Art critic. In fact the best Art critics are not Artists and almost never an Artist is on a position to have an overall view of the Art Panorama neither he is on the best position to judge what are the more valid contributions to the contemporary art culture. He is to focused in what he is doing and obviously he thinks that what he is doing is the best and the right way to go.

I believe that is valid also in what regards the contemporary Yacht design Panorama, the subject of this thread.

I don't take pleasure with this kind of posts or discussions so please participate on this thread regarding topics and out of a paternalistic approach. If you do that I am quite sure we all will enjoy and appreciate your contribution.

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Classics on the next Route du Rhum



Not what you would have expected as Classics and yet they are classics, old fast racers whose performance cannot match modern ones but certainly still very enjoyable boats to race.

Many other races have boats of this "vintage" as favorites but we know that on this one all the cream of solo racers will be there.

They could extend the idea and have a class for Open60's with no canting keel: Lots of them around doing minor races. That would bring even more interest to the big one that in what regards relevance and solo racing only has an equal on the Vendee Globe, even if the last one has much less types of boats racing.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Holy cow Paulo:
You are really spending way too much time and energy fighting me. I'm very flatterred.

But I have a suggestion that could be useful for you:
If you go to where you can edit your preferences for this forum there is a place where you can put people on "ignore". They have it on Sailing Anarchy too. I don't use it but some do. It works until someone quotes you. Then you can't block the quote. But for you it would serve to have my posts on ignore and you would not have to read them. This would be good for you too Eric. Better than pissing and moaning.

Because, I'm not going anywhere and I have no intention of "behaving". I never have.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Sigh. Another thread ruined by out of control egos.

Bob, you don't belong on this thread. Its for modern boats. None of your designs are cutting edge. Stop pretending.
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Gee Burt can't recall ever saying I was cutting edge. You must have me mistaken with someone else. I'll never be "cutting edge". But I can enjoy it.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Thread title says "Interesting Boats" not necessarily for "modern".

Personally, I like older looking/styled boats more. The "modern" ones usually don't interest me much but they're still nice to look at to see design features.

Something about Jakatan makes it a beautiful boat that I would be more interested in myself. Beautiful craftsmanship. Makes me want to learn more about boat building. Everyone has different tastes. Doesn't mean one style should be omitted from this thread because someone else doesn't like it.
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You are really spending way too much time and energy fighting me.... I have no intention of "behaving". I never have.
Bob, not fighting you. Fighting your bad manners, rude behavior and arrogance and not even in absolute terms but just in this thread.

Here I make a point that everybody, starting by me behaves nicely. Rudeness is definitively out as well as meaningless comments. Maybe it time for you to learn how to behave otherwise you don't have a place here, you or anybody that does not know or want to "behave". This thread is interesting and lasted so long because posters around (starting by me) know how to behave and understand the importance of that even when they disagree with others.

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If you go to where you can edit your preferences for this forum there is a place where you can put people on "ignore"....This would be good for you too Eric. Better than pissing and moaning.
Bob if i ignored what posters say on this thread it would not be an interesting thread anymore. Everybody could say what they want and all type of nonsense would have the same factual value for the ones that follow it (and they are many) and say that use this thread as a learning tool.

If I had done so things like an OVNI 39 having a similar performance as a XP 38 or that modern chines are used on cruising boats only by fashion reasons or that Computer Fluid Dynamics is not a very important tool in what regards sailboat design development or that the new Hunter 40 has a nice sailing hull would pass as truth and I would not allow that because it is just not factually true.

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I like this thread. It is informative. Show me the boats. I can form my own opinions.
Yes Bob, you can use the thread for having a view about what is made regarding the best contemporary design, you can form your own opinions what you can't do is posting like your own opinions are the definitive true about the subject. After all if that was so you would not be looking at cutting edge designs on this thread but designing them.

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Thread title says "Interesting Boats" not necessarily for "modern".

Personally, I like older looking/styled boats more. The "modern" ones usually don't interest me much but they're still nice to look at to see design features.

Something about Jakatan makes it a beautiful boat that I would be more interested in myself. Beautiful craftsmanship. Makes me want to learn more about boat building. Everyone has different tastes. Doesn't mean one style should be omitted from this thread because someone else doesn't like it.
Nobody wants to omitte any style from this thread but the title of a thread does not say all about it. On the first post the object of the thread is clearly defined and the first sentence is:

"THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out)."


There are many other threads for the ones that like you prefer older designs. This one is about contemporary design.

Nothing wrong about some designs that don't fit this criteria to be posted now an then on this thread, just because they are beautiful, even if they are not the object of this thread.

I have made complete informative and extensive posts about Jakatan and silver, the two last Bob designs. I don't want pictures of them appearing out of contest on the thread like mushrooms, as it have happened already and its happening all the time in the Steel boat thread.

Bob Perry have posted many photos of boats he finds interesting on this thread .... all about his designs. I have already suggested to Bob to open one thread about his designs or if he does want a more broad subject, about classic designs made today, one where we could all see in detail his own work.

Best regards

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