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First time poster, long time lurker.

Paulo, please keep the high road and continue to unofficially moderate the best sailboat thread on the Internet. I get a lot more from this thread than any of the traditional magazines and their entirely predictable "reviews".

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Fareast 36 cat

I like these Chinese boats and this ones are not just some European or American using China cheap work labor to make less expensive boats. No these are really Chinese boats and they are not outdated as one could suppose. The management by European perspective is made by kids: they are all very young, including the director that is a girl, and a very nice one

They made dinghies, wired a good NA firm, Simonis / Voogd, made a very interesting 26ft cruiser racer (just a couple of years ago) then last year an even more interesting cutting edge 31ft racer and now a very interesting weekender cat that I bet will be followed by a cruising one with more interior space and the same platform.

The boat is just beautiful and I bet that these kids in 10 years will be major players on the Yacht market.

(you can see posts both about the 26ft as the 31R on this thread, I have been following their work with interest).








Specifications :

LOA (hull length) 10.97 m
LWL (Waterline Length) 10.83 m
Beam 6.20 m
Draft 0.85 m
Weight 5.2 t
Sail area 71.0 sqm
Designer Simonis / Voogd
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First time poster, long time lurker.

Paulo, please keep the high road and continue to unofficially moderate the best sailboat thread on the Internet. I get a lot more from this thread than any of the traditional magazines and their entirely predictable "reviews".

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Welcome to sailnet and to this thread too.

Thanks for the incentive and know that you are not a lurker anymore participate on the thread

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Tjörn Runt 2013: The big movie

I have posted here about last edition of this great race on the North of Europe, posted some good movies too but this one is just awesome and a big one. Most of you, with the exception of Mr W and some Nordic followers, don't understand a word but images have no language as I believe you don't need words to see the shine on the eyes of that old sailor that in his old boat and with his old crew seems to be making a hell of a race and is certainly having a lot of fun. I bet he was feeling 30 years younger

I trully enjoyed this movie, I hope you too:


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and now a very interesting weekender cat that I bet will be followed by a cruising one with more interior space and the same platform.
I think you are right: This one is for the charter market and can take 25(!) guests (on a 36-feeter)...
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The boat market took a funny swing: There are less small sailboats being sold...but also bigger sailboats being sold. Having less sailboats being sold was inevitable with the crisis hitting the middle class but bigger boats being on the raise was completely unexpected and a very good thing for the shipyards. Many have found a way of escaping financial problems diverting the production to bigger yacht.

Some would say that this is a bad thing but I don't think so. Truth is that there are more people wanting to sail, at least in Europe even if the crisis had diminished the number of sales (but not the total value). Let's hope the crisis goes way and the middle class has again the means to buy sailboats. The brands will still be there partially because the rich ones decided that sail was cool. Thanks to them and to the ones that prefer sailboats to motorboats.

This tendency has as reflex that all mass market shipyards have been increasing the size of their bigger boats that today in many is over 60ft, something unthinkable 15 years ago.

Let's have a look at the new Hanse 675....it seems yesterday that Hanse started to make sailboats....a 675, very impressive, not only the boat but the growing of the brand and that means certainly something in what regards the overall quality

On this one I even like more the interior that seems really cozy even if the style is not one that I favor, but the design quality seems to have improved a lot.

Also in what regards interior and lightening we can see one of the modern tendencies, with a high freeboard that allows a very low cabin with the illumination being mostly zenithal with lots of transparent surfaces. Also the size and location of port hulls creates a true "window" effect providing a great sea view from the salon and cabins. Like the previous model the boat has a big garage able to carry a big dingy. It looks fast too and I am sure it is fast.

Nice passage maker, a judel-vrolijk design.











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Paulo,

I think the healthy upper end market is a reflection of the underlying dichotomy in global economies. There's two very separate stories evolving. The middle class are not doing as well as the upper class, hence the higher end market is increasingly gaining the attention of boat yards.

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I think the healthy upper end market is a reflection of the underlying dichotomy in global economies. There's two very separate stories evolving. The middle class are not doing as well as the upper class, hence the higher end market is increasingly gaining the attention of boat yards.

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Sure but while the middle class has troubles (and that explains why the sales on small and medium sized yachts lowered) that would have not mean necessarily that on the upper class the interest in sailing was on the rise. I believe that is more an European thing (by the number of shipyards and new sailboats), at least in what regards sailing yachts.

Some more that come recently to the market or are at the design stage, coming from production Brands that used to make smaller boats:

The Wauquiez 65 by Berret-Racoupeau:





The Gunfleet 74 by Tony Castro



the Oyster 725 by Rob Humphreys





The Halberg Rassy 63 by German Frers



The Contest 72 by Georg Nissen





The CNB (Benetau) 76 by Philippe Briand



Jeanneau 64 by Philippe Briand





Ice 80 and 100 by Felci







The Mylius 18E35 by Alberto Simeone



Advanced 66 By Reichel-Pugh



and there are a lot more like the Salona 60 and 65 and the X6 from X yachts (posted recently).

Even some American brands (made in China) has presented new and more interesting boats, like the relatively new Hylas 63 by German Frers



Also on the small market of traditional and classic sailingboats we can see new big boats coming on:

The Spirit 110 and 130





The Farlie 77



The Pacific Seacraft 61 by Robert Perry





http://www.pacificseacraft.com/566287/renderings/

And also the Bestevaer series built by K&M and designed by Dykstra even if on this ones the size seems to have stabilized around the 55/56ft.



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I like these Chinese boats and this ones are not just some European or American using China cheap work labor to make less expensive boats. No these are really Chinese boats and they are not outdated as one could suppose. The management by European perspective is made by kids: they are all very young, including the director that is a girl, and a very nice one

They made dinghies, wired a good NA firm, Simonis / Voogd, made a very interesting 26ft cruiser racer (just a couple of years ago) then last year an even more interesting cutting edge 31ft racer and now a very interesting weekender cat that I bet will be followed by a cruising one with more interior space and the same platform.

The boat is just beautiful and I bet that these kids in 10 years will be major players on the Yacht market.

(you can see posts both about the 26ft as the 31R on this thread, I have been following their work with interest).



Specifications :

LOA (hull length) 10.97 m
LWL (Waterline Length) 10.83 m
Beam 6.20 m
Draft 0.85 m
Weight 5.2 t
Sail area 71.0 sqm
Designer Simonis / Voogd
This look similar to the South African Seascape 39

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Seascape 29

Yes, the fareast more modern on the hulls and design but the same basic concept and general design. I can't find information on that boat but it is not also a Simonis / Voogd design? Those two, or at least one of them came from South Africa to Holland (Boer's descendants) and they still have a NA cabinet in South Africa.

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