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Standing weight is the weight of the gear you lose when you do an accidental gybe or broach with all sails standing? It should probably include the spinnaker pole, pieces of the spinnaker and maybe parts of the mast or boom? .....
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I think Knute's got it and it's a typo re 'headroom'..
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In what context?

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"One of the things that was very well sorted out in this boat was the need of having a standing weight. All modern 36ft have standing height but the 37, a very beautiful old narrow boat was far from that and the traditional low cabins that are a Luffe trademark would make that very difficult without increasing much freeboad. The compromise between these factors was very good and the boat looks elegant like a Luffe and the extra freeboard is barely noticeable."

Looks like a typo for "standing height" = "head room" in English i think
Yes you get it, a typo . It was easily understandable in the context. The post was edited; it what was already clear almost for all it is clear for all now.

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Pogo 30 versus Winner 900

On their own way two of the most interesting 30ft performance cruisers launched recently but those ways are pretty much opposed : A boat following the mini tradition, very beamy and another, relatively narrow, on the more classic ORC tradition and even among those on the ones that follow more classic lines.

what are the differences?

The winner 900 showed that in light winds it can be as fast as the Pogo and the Pogo will smock the Winner in stronger winds in all points of sail except upwind where probably the mach will be close (if it is the winner performance version).

Probably upwind, in bad seas with waves, the Winner will be faster again, or maybe not, only a true test or racing results will shed more light on that, anyway the performance in what regards upwind VMG would not be very different while downwind and on a beam reach with medium to strong winds the Pogo would be much faster.

The differences don't stop here since the cockpits and interiors are also very different, both much bigger on the Pogo but size is not all and even if the Pogo offers a functional interior, even for offshore and long range cruising, the one of the winner is incomparably more comfy, giving a very nice ambiance and it also a very functional and good one in what regards cruising.

The prices, for comparable versions (winner performance), will not be that different.

Two great performance cruisers but not for the same sailor. I bet that the ones that would like to own a winner are not the ones that would like to own a Pogo. Take your pick

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Reportage Voile Magazine en Hollande - Winner 900 por voile-magazine



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The new Pogo-30 2013 from Andreas Lindlahr on Vimeo.

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Contemporary classics Pilot Cutters

Several NA have been using the Pilot cutter "model" for developing wonderful classic contemporary boats using on the traditional hull modern torpedo keels and spade rudders diminishing that way wet surface not only on the keel and rudder as on the overall area since that allows for lighter boats.

The Cutter model is chosen not only because they were beautiful but because that way the boat only needs for conforming with the model to have overhangs aft, being the bow a straight one and that significantly increases LWL and boat performance regarding a classic boat with big overhangs (at the bow and transom). The owners of these boats like classical boats but are sailing enthusiasts and don't want slow boats, not for cruising and not for racing since most indulge in some racing.

This is one of the last from the Pilot Cutter series by André Hoeck, the 85ft Windhunter II:







From Dijkstra, a 90ft pilot cutter:







And also from Dijkstra a 181ft Pilot cuter:







It is amazing how the hull is well proportioned. looking at it we would say that it is a very nice 60 or 65ft sailboat. No, it is the same boat with all its 181ft

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And another kind of beauty: Fast cat 80

Just a bit smaller than those boats but surely faster this Lombard/Darnet design:





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RC 44 first match at Virgin Gorda

The series started well, with 15 boats competing this year but with only 9 making the American leg and oddly the American boat was not one of them...but three Russian boats were

Also this year the Russians decided to taking sailing seriously and there are 4 Russian teams and one Polish and that means that on Eastern Europe interest for sailing is growing fast. Not easy to find a budget for a full season with one of this babies with a full crew if there is not money around and a public interest in sailing.

On the Match racing (posted already the video) the winner was the British team Aqua with two Russian teams on the podium: Synergy and katusha.

On the First day of fleet racing the winner was another British team, Peninsula Petroleum followed by the Italians of Bombarda and the Russians of Synergy the only ones that have been on the two podiums.

Great racing and lots of close competition with different teams going to the lead:



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Next match 23 - 27 April in cascais, Portugal. I hope to be there
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Re: VOR / SCA Racing

So, you might remember that we were speculating about what the future might hold for Justine Mettraux, the phenomenal Swiss Mini 6.50 sailor who finished second in the Series class behind Aymeric Belloir.

Her sponsor, TeamWork, announced they would be launching an IMOCA 60 program for a future Vendée Globe, and there was some question whether Justine might be tapped for the skipper slot.

But now we see that she has been added to the Team SCA Volvo Ocean Race team! What a terrific and well-deserved opportunity. Not only will she gain tremendous experience, she will get to race alongside some of the best sailors in the world (male or female). No doubt she will have a very promising career ahead of her.

Chapeau, Justine!

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

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Meanwhile chapeau also to Lionel that managed to save his boat that seem to be in good shape after having been 10 days capsized (with him inside).

He only arrived to Brazil now and they say that his first words when he stepped "terra firma" was " FINALLY"

They are trying to repair the boat in time to "La route du Rhum"

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New top racer for America:Zing 3

In this case South America, Brazil:









But I would say I am a bit surprised with the overall design. Sure the boat looks great and I am sure it will be fast but one thing is fast other is competitively fast and competitive in what kind of racing?

The choice of the NA cabinet does not say much since they are not specialists in any kind of racing, having a limited experience in what regards racing boats (Langan Design Partners). In fact they don't help also in what regards the design criteria and the type of racing the boat points to. They simply say about Zing 3:

"Designed for a brazilian yachtsman Zing 3 is designed to go fast. An all carbon boat she boasts a canting keel, trim and ballast tanks, curved dagger-boards and a sparse interior."

Length, hull ........16.75 m
Length waterline..16.72 m
Beam, maximum....4.80 m
Naval Architecture:.Langan Design Partners
Design:.................Langan Design Partners

It does not look like an IRC racer since the transom design does look like for maximizing RM at heeling, looking like the one of a solo racer but the beam is not the one of a solo racer (relatively narrow).

A racing boat not designed as a solo racer should imply a big B/D ratio and a boat designed to sail upwind with a lot of heel but the hull design seems not to be designed for that. Well, they don't give the ballast ratio and I am just judging by what is usual in the different types of offshore racing boats. The hull looks like a crossover between a TP52 (in what regards beam and overall shape) and a solo racer in what regards the use of chines to limit heeling and design transom. It is also the only race boat that I know off that has seats in front of the wheel, with back support and all

Maybe they will have discovered something new even if it seems odd to me given their background in top racing. Another odd thing is on a top racing boat is not having a winch pedestal and only winches. It is a solo boat?

Maybe our Brazilian and South American contributors can shed some light on the brief design of the boat: Sure it will be fast and given the naked interior it is a racer....but what type of racing the owner will do with it: Transats and Ocean racing? IRC racing? ORC Regattas?

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Another winch option

Forget to mention a system that is used on some main market boats: There are no winches, or a single winch over the cabin and all the winches (four) are on the cockpit, two of them aft, near the wheels. That's the solution that has been increasingly used by Hanse and that offers more flexibility than two winches near the wheel and two over the cabin.

On the case all winches are on the cockpit it means that the rigging is done in a way that all maneuvers are made from there and even if the second pair of winches is not near the wheel they are certainly closer to than on the top of the cabin.

Also more flexibility because you can use the existent winches for more uses, being on the other case the ones over the cabin limited to reefing work or in some cases to move the traveler with strong winds since in most cases the front sail sheets are brought back.

Here the new Hanse 505 that has that system:



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