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Can someone please explain to me the term "standing weight"?
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Standing weight is the weight of the gear you lose when you do an accidental gybe or broach with all sails standing? It should probably include the spinnaker pole, pieces of the spinnaker and maybe parts of the mast or boom? The holding tank contents? Good question.
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Can someone please explain to me the term "standing weight"?
In what context?
Could it be some strange translation?

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One of the things that was very well sorted out in this boat was the need of having a standing weight. All modern 36ft have standing height but the 37, a very beautiful old narrow boat was far from that and the traditional low cabins that are a Luffe trademark would make that very difficult without increasing much freeboad. The compromise between these factors was very good and the boat looks elegant like a Luffe and the extra freeboard is barely noticeable.
Looks like a typo for "standing height" = "head room" in English i think

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Knut:
Got it. That makes sense.
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Standing weight is the weight of the gear you lose when you do an accidental gybe or broach with all sails standing? It should probably include the spinnaker pole, pieces of the spinnaker and maybe parts of the mast or boom? .....
And the chunk of your noggin?

I think Knute's got it and it's a typo re 'headroom'..
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In what context?

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"One of the things that was very well sorted out in this boat was the need of having a standing weight. All modern 36ft have standing height but the 37, a very beautiful old narrow boat was far from that and the traditional low cabins that are a Luffe trademark would make that very difficult without increasing much freeboad. The compromise between these factors was very good and the boat looks elegant like a Luffe and the extra freeboard is barely noticeable."

Looks like a typo for "standing height" = "head room" in English i think
Yes you get it, a typo . It was easily understandable in the context. The post was edited; it what was already clear almost for all it is clear for all now.

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Pogo 30 versus Winner 900

On their own way two of the most interesting 30ft performance cruisers launched recently but those ways are pretty much opposed : A boat following the mini tradition, very beamy and another, relatively narrow, on the more classic ORC tradition and even among those on the ones that follow more classic lines.

what are the differences?

The winner 900 showed that in light winds it can be as fast as the Pogo and the Pogo will smock the Winner in stronger winds in all points of sail except upwind where probably the mach will be close (if it is the winner performance version).

Probably upwind, in bad seas with waves, the Winner will be faster again, or maybe not, only a true test or racing results will shed more light on that, anyway the performance in what regards upwind VMG would not be very different while downwind and on a beam reach with medium to strong winds the Pogo would be much faster.

The differences don't stop here since the cockpits and interiors are also very different, both much bigger on the Pogo but size is not all and even if the Pogo offers a functional interior, even for offshore and long range cruising, the one of the winner is incomparably more comfy, giving a very nice ambiance and it also a very functional and good one in what regards cruising.

The prices, for comparable versions (winner performance), will not be that different.

Two great performance cruisers but not for the same sailor. I bet that the ones that would like to own a winner are not the ones that would like to own a Pogo. Take your pick

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The new Pogo-30 2013 from Andreas Lindlahr on Vimeo.

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Contemporary classics Pilot Cutters

Several NA have been using the Pilot cutter "model" for developing wonderful classic contemporary boats using on the traditional hull modern torpedo keels and spade rudders diminishing that way wet surface not only on the keel and rudder as on the overall area since that allows for lighter boats.

The Cutter model is chosen not only because they were beautiful but because that way the boat only needs for conforming with the model to have overhangs aft, being the bow a straight one and that significantly increases LWL and boat performance regarding a classic boat with big overhangs (at the bow and transom). The owners of these boats like classical boats but are sailing enthusiasts and don't want slow boats, not for cruising and not for racing since most indulge in some racing.

This is one of the last from the Pilot Cutter series by André Hoeck, the 85ft Windhunter II:







From Dijkstra, a 90ft pilot cutter:







And also from Dijkstra a 181ft Pilot cuter:







It is amazing how the hull is well proportioned. looking at it we would say that it is a very nice 60 or 65ft sailboat. No, it is the same boat with all its 181ft

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And another kind of beauty: Fast cat 80

Just a bit smaller than those boats but surely faster this Lombard/Darnet design:





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RC 44 first match at Virgin Gorda

The series started well, with 15 boats competing this year but with only 9 making the American leg and oddly the American boat was not one of them...but three Russian boats were

Also this year the Russians decided to taking sailing seriously and there are 4 Russian teams and one Polish and that means that on Eastern Europe interest for sailing is growing fast. Not easy to find a budget for a full season with one of this babies with a full crew if there is not money around and a public interest in sailing.

On the Match racing (posted already the video) the winner was the British team Aqua with two Russian teams on the podium: Synergy and katusha.

On the First day of fleet racing the winner was another British team, Peninsula Petroleum followed by the Italians of Bombarda and the Russians of Synergy the only ones that have been on the two podiums.

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