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Premier 45 : Boat test

Yachting monthly boat test to the boat that was my WOW!!! boat of the 2013 Dusseldorf boat show.





Take into consideration that the tester is a conservative one even if competent (like the magazine) :

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Yachting monthly boat test to the boat that was my WOW!!! boat of the 2013 Dusseldorf boat show.


Take into consideration that the tester is a conservative one even if competent (like the magazine) :
You know, Chris (the tester) almost never smiles during these boat reviews, but at the end of this one he is smiling from ear to ear, sitting at the helm and driving along at good speed. It's clear, notwithstanding his typically restrained manner, that he really loves this boat.

And what's not to love? Truly a gorgeous design, albeit not for traditionalists. Only thing I would change, I think, is the navigation station arrangement - I really do prefer a more conventional dedicated chart table with forward-facing seating. I realize it forces you to give up some space in the cabin, but for longer offshore voyages I would be spending a lot of time there, I imagine.

Otherwise, I really like the design and it's definitely a performance-oriented performance cruiser.

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Beautiful boat but why the chamferred deck edge?

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I would change some things on the interior regarding color schemes and I would add more light without changing the boat profile or basic looks.

The exterior is perfect with the exception of the toe-rail that is useful. A nice rounded carbon piece all around would be nice

But I would not mind to have it like it is

25 to the wind at 7K!!! WOW!!!!


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Beautiful boat but why the chamferred deck edge?
Bob - I think Chris (the YM tester) mentioned in the video something about the way the carbon deck is joined to the hull, then hand-sanded to give it that chamfer. Can't recall the exact details, but assume it's partly aesthetic and partly a function of the deck-hull join design.

Agree with Paulo that it needs a toe rail, speaking as a life-long bowman. On the other hand, if I owned such a boat I'd hire a professional bowman to go forward in inclement weather to deal with anything foredeck related.

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If it were to make joining the hull to deck eaier I would think a radius would be even better. Granted it's better than a hard corner but no corner would be better than two corners. I like the look.

I've raced boats with no rteo rail back in the day when that was legal. Hiking is comfy. It's not a problem most of the time but it creates problems when you are breaking down three speed winches for servicing. " Have you seen that round,,,,,,,?

But in that first photo of the 505 I think I see a low "bulwark" shadow line. I can't imagine you would be compliant with any modern safety rules with no toe rail or bulwark at all. At least from the mast foirward.

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RM 890 : Better than what they hoped for:



Photo taken from the last edition of Voile magazine: You can read a short boat test there (first impressions) but I would say that the boat sailed incredibly well for a performance cruiser with a great interior.

With more than 10k wind the RM makes 6K close to the wind. Opening the course the boat makes 7 and then 8K. With an asymmetric spy they went till 10K (on one occasion). The truth is that they did not exactly tell what was that bit more than 10k but I hope we can assume that it was not much more.

If the boat goes like that with medium wind I cannot wait for a test with stronger wind. It seems this one does not need much wind to plan.

As a negative point it is confirmed that the standing height is only for small to medium sized guys, with 1.79cm near the stairs and 1.69cm on the head...but this is a 29ft boat and in what regards me I prefer it like that than an ugly boat with more windage.

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Photo taken from the last edition of Voile magazine. You can read the first impressions there but I would say that the boat sailed incredibly well for a performance cruiser with a great interior:

With more than 10k wind the RM makes 6K close to the wind. Opening the course the boat makes 7 and then 8K. With an asymmetric spy they went till 10K (on one occasion). The truth is that they did not exactly tell what was that bit more than 10k but I hope we can assume that it was not much.

If the boat goes like that with medium wind I cannot wait for a test with stronger wind. It seems this one does not need much wind to plan.

As a negative point it is confirmed that the standing height is only for small to medium sized guys, with 1.79cm near the stairs and 1.69cm on the head...but this is a 29ft boat and in what regards me I prefer it like that than an ugly boat with more windage.

It seems Marc Lombard got it right one time more.
How much more do you think the RM 850 will cost than the Elan 320? If they are close I would go with the RM. Otherwise, I will continue to lust after the Elan. I'm one of those small-to-medium sized guys you referred to (1.74m), so will only bump my head slightly in the head.

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How much more do you think the RM 850 will cost than the Elan 320? If they are close I would go with the RM. Otherwise, I will continue to lust after the Elan. I'm one of those small-to-medium sized guys you referred to (1.74m), so will only bump my head slightly in the head.
I was going to say that the Elan 320 was not necessarily slower since it has a bigger boat (9.25 to 8.90m) but then I looked at the LWL and quite incredibly the RM has a bigger waterline ( 8.81m to 8.71m). It seems that slightly inverted bow is not there only for the looks

The RM is lighter ( 3200kg to 3690kg), beamier (3.42m to 3.22) and it carries upwind 1.5m2 less sail area than the Elan 320. I bet that downwind it can carry as much sail and probably more.

The hulls are very different being the one of the RM based on Open boats and the one from the Elan more traditional and adapted to IRC racing. The beam all pulled back on the Elan can be deceiving but in fact it is not particularly beamy, for instance an A31 has 3.23m of beam, almost the same as the Elan.

The keels are similar but on the more sportive version the Elan has 2.15m draft while the RM has only 1.90m, an advantage in what regards saving weight in ballast for the Elan. The Elan has a B/D ratio of 0.243, the RM has 0.302. The difference in draft is not even near to make for that difference in B/D ratio. So the RM will have not only a much bigger hull form stability as it will have more RM coming from the keel with the boat heeled, and that means a much stiffer and powerful boat....and the performance is there to show it.

Probably there will be some conditions and points of sail where the Elan 320 is faster but not downwind or on a beam reach...and regarding the other conditions and points of sail, the difference is not going to be much, if any.

The Elan will perform better in IRC being easier to sail to its handicap and on a transat race the RM will for sure be faster.

Regarding prices I can give you prices at the factory but they are not meaningful to a boat deliver in US.

The Elan 320 costs 77 990 euros, but you would have to join the performance pack. You can see the price of that and other extras here:

http://www.argolis-yacht.com/pdf/Pri...0_08062013.pdf

The RM 890 costs 80 936 euros but probably you will not need all the extras that you need on the Elan to make it a faster boat. I don't believe the monokeel is more expensive than the twin keel and unless you want a carbon mast, it is all there, except electronic and other comfort type extras.

http://www.boats-caribbean.com/sites...churerm890.pdf

NOUVEAU RM890 - Blog RM Yachts | Chantier Fora Marine

Regarding the RM they don't have dealers on the US. You would have to pick up one on the French Martinique. This is the dealer:

RM 890: RM Yachts RM 890 Sailing Monohull on Boats-Caribbean.com

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