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Essence 33: A new look

We already had a look at this wonderful classical daysailer that was nominated for this Year's European boat of the year contest.





A new look to bring to the attention two points. First the winch position that is one of those that we have discussed on a previous post and is one of the options in what regards modern rigging adapted to solo sailing. The solution is the one using 3 winches being one central and as the other boats that have used this solution this one does not have a traveler.

You can see it's use on this nice movie by Yacht.de:

http://tv.yacht.de/video/Essence-33%...8d6545164b248f

The other point that I missed at the time is that is an André Hoeck design. André is best known by it's series of huge classical yachts with modern under bodies based on the Pilot cutter. Having a better look at this boat, well, it seems much like a miniature of one of his big yachts, keel and all. Take a look:















So if you have not the money to "play" with a big one, you can always have a "miniature" even if those are not cheap either. Truly beautiful boats.
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Grand surprise

Didn't know that this very popular boat (in France) had made it to Australia. It its the small daysailer / weekender /racer from Archambault. Great movie

Geelong Festival of Sail from Greg Wilkins on Vimeo.

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Voyage boat : Tudulut the new 12m by Jean-Pierre Brouns

Jean-Pierre Brouns has specialized in designing voyage boats made in Strongal, a type of thick aluminium that reunites the advantages of the steel in what regards easy building (without the need of too much internal framing) with the lightness of Aluminium. His designs are also very particular and I find this one interesting:

A 40ft voyage twin keel, narrow and with the ability to carry a dinghy of considerable dimensions on the garage. If it was for me I would have asked for a bit more ballast. This one seems adequate for a more beamier boat, but not having the power generated by the form stability of a more beamier hull, I would like to have more RM coming from the keel. I like stiff and powerful boats.

With the exception of that I kind of like it, with its ability to stand on its strong "legs" almost everywhere and its rustic but effective looks. This one has life lines the way Brent S. likes them and it is not also far from the concept he has of a voyage boat, but this one is more modern and certainly a faster sailboat. Kind of boat you would not find strange to meet in the Arctic or Antarctic waters.

The boat is designed to be built by a skilled amateur of by a small shipyard without the expensive machines needed to effectively and easily make rounded aluminium hulls, a hull that would not take many hours to assemble from previously cut parts.











Dimensions:

Hull lenght ------ 11.80m
LWL-------------11.50
Beam------------3.49m
Light weight------8500kg
weight Max load--10350kg
Ballast-----------2500kg
Draft-------------1.74m
Mainsail-----------37.8m2
Jib----------------37.2m2
Reacher-----------72.7m2
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Re: Essence 33: A new look

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We already had a look at this wonderful classical daysailer that was nominated for this Year's European boat of the year contest.




So if you have not the money to "play" with a big one, you can always have a "miniature" even if those are not cheap either. Truly beautiful boats.
I've always liked that combination of classic look above the water and contemporary sleeper underbody.. and imagine the fun you'd have sailing by someone expecting a heavy old full keeler approaching!

The Spirits yachts appeal similarly, though a local example did not display the speed one would expect. (could have been the crew)
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I spoke to that guy with the Spirit in your area. I guess it's the same guy. He was less than happy with the boat. He called me about a possible new boat. Do you know if he sold the Spirit? I have a friend who owns a Spirit in SF. He likes the boat but I get the impression that his wife does not. He just bought her a 65' schooner so she could be comfy. He bought David Crosby's boat MAYAN. It's a real beauty. He'll keep the Spirit for himself.
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... He just bought her a 65' schooner so she could be comfy...
I just knew it all the time, i was born the wrong sex...

The superstructure of Tudulut looks really strange... Who wants to have a convex, almost vertical front of glass to the foredeck where green water might clash into it?
The curvature of this front is focusing the seawater, which weighs more than a metric ton by the cubic meter, to a small point where the accumulated force might crash the panes... I sometimes think, that some designers should do some basic physics lessons again...
But what do i know on the other hand...
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I spoke to that guy with the Spirit in your area. I guess it's the same guy. He was less than happy with the boat. He called me about a possible new boat. Do you know if he sold the Spirit? I have a friend who owns a Spirit in SF. He likes the boat but I get the impression that his wife does not. He just bought her a 65' schooner so she could be comfy. He bought David Crosby's boat MAYAN. It's a real beauty. He'll keep the Spirit for himself.
The boat's no longer in town so I assume that it's been sold. The owner at the time owned a successful organic market on Bowen Island. We sailed against her in a 'round Bowen race' and she did not impress, however any 'round an island' race is always a crapshoot.

I gather nothing came of the conversation about a new boat?
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Spirit and classic boats versus Pilot cuter classics.

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The Spirits yachts appeal similarly, though a local example did not display the speed one would expect. (could have been the crew)
Pilot cuter classic boats compromise less the sailing performance regarding entirely contemporary hulls. The huge overhangs of a true classic looker like the Spirit give it a very small LWL regarding the length of the hull.

Look at this picture of a Spirit 100ft and look at the superior view. If you pay attention you will see that the water plan is marked over the interior: Ridiculously small for the size of the boat, by modern standards:





It is not marked on this Hoek designed 85ft but if you follow the lines you will see that comparatively the LWL is incomparably bigger regarding the hull length. This type of "model" is much less compromised regarding a modern hull, at least upwind.



The performance of the Spirit can only be compared with one of a boat with the same LWL and that means a much smaller boat. Downwind the boat will only go marginally faster than hull speed...and since the LWL is small, it will not be a match for a modern boat of the same size and even less if it is a fast one that will be able to go a bit over hull speed easily.

But someone that buys a Spirit thinking that he bought a fast boat or because wants to sail fast missed the boat all together. The Spirit is all about style and enjoying a certain kind of sailing that will not be fast by modern criteria but certainly will be very enjoyable.

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The superstructure of Tudulut looks really strange... Who wants to have a convex, almost vertical front of glass to the foredeck where green water might clash into it?
The curvature of this front is focusing the seawater, which weighs more than a metric ton by the cubic meter, to a small point where the accumulated force might crash the panes... I sometimes think, that some designers should do some basic physics lessons again...
But what do i know on the other hand...
You know that material can be made bullet proof and the ones used on boats on that position are incredibly though. It is more a question of height and the way it is sported. Do you really think that small height front of Plexiglas sported on aluminium will be dangerous?

I don't see a problem and the forces there would not be very different than the ones that will be experienced on this one:



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Figaro II

A nice way for having a good look at the hull



and since we are talking about Figaro, some great images from "La solitaire du Figaro"


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