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Re: Owen and Clarke 130 Maxi 2nd version

no - just compare these two images:
almost same angle, apparently the same hull, completely different length of foredeck... the first one has an fish-eye like distortion to it, which should not be there from that angle and distance.

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No paulo - i was right, your first image is distorted...
Just check the distance between the lifeline stanchions on it all along the sheer... You will realize that the distance gets wider to the bow but which is not the case on the rest of the images...

on the lateral view from yours in a post above the mast seems to be placed very much midships... on the angled view you have the impression, that the mast is stepped very well aft amidships... which is clearly not the case, if those images all show the same boat...
Same boat, different perspective. As I have said perspectives can be as misleading as real views if you look at the boat at a particular angle. this is the same boat that actually is just a project. The project is made in 3D in a computer and the computer can generate all the views you want...all correct but from different point of views and thatīs what you have there. I am used to work with those perspectives and I have no doubt about that boat.

If you still have doubts count the stanchions and you will see that they match on both perspectives or on the lateral view.

The boats you posted (same hull different cabins) are viewed from different angles. I don't understand why you insist. I took all the images from the same presentation, sent by the NA cabinet to a Luxury Charter firm.

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Javier Soto Acebal 130ft Angel's Share

Owen and clarke has also a version of that 130ft for a daysailer look:



I can see some of you thinking: That's too much!!!! who would want a 130ft daysailer!!! Well they know that there is a market for it because they recently refited the original 2009 Soto Acebal 130ft Angel's Share (changes to the sailing systems, deck and sailplan). Soto is the Na but the overall desing, including interior is from Luca Bassani the Wally magician.

That's an amazing boat that deserves a better view:















The yacht, with the rig alterations from Owen and Clarke have been winning races:





A race boat in disguise?!!!
No, not really. The boat looks like a daysailer or a racer on its new refit but it is truly a luxurious cruiser with race winning potential. That black hull disguises port hulls and the boat features not only zenithal ilunination but the typical wally big rear "window":













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From maxi to mini:

Foiling is on the order of the day and this is the less expensive way of flying over the water. Mini foiling:
(the opening image, even if interesting, has nothing to do with the movie content, except maybe that foiling is sexy)

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Same boat, different perspective. As I have said perspectives can be as misleading as real views if you look at the boat at a particular angle. this is the same boat that actually is just a project. The project is made in 3D in a computer and the computer can generate all the views you want...all correct but from different point of views and thatīs what you have there. I am used to work with those perspectives and I have no doubt about that boat.

If you still have doubts count the stanchions and you will see that they match on both perspectives or on the lateral view.

The boats you posted (same hull different cabins) are viewed from different angles. I don't understand why you insist. I took all the images from the same presentation, sent by the NA cabinet to a Luxury Charter firm.
why should i COUNT the stanchions? i was talking about the distance between them which varies in the perspective just too much...
and the angle in which the renders have been done on the two images i posted, is really too marginal to have such an great effect...
i do not doubt you, or the NA but i know what can and is done with advertising images - trust me on that, if you do not trust my or your own eyes...
open the image in paint, lay the ruler and grid over the image and then count the horizontal pixels between stanchion #1 and #2 (73 px)
and between stanchion #4 and #5 (60 px) although all of those are on almost the same height, meaning almost parallel to the observer... that is just too much!
the good designer overdid it on the special effects and exaggerated the whole thing just that bit too much to look pleasing.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Vimey is correct.
Perhaps this 3D model was prepared just a a sales tool, i.e. it's a pretty picture.
I have done that too.
But the type of 3D modeling I prefer can be used as a file for CNC cutting so it has to be dead acurate. This is a builder's tool and not just a sales tool.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Hi everybody,
I have once again been catching up on the thread after having spent most of the winter buried in deep snow with my snowboard.

I have been slightly dissapointed by the level of discussion regarding chines and old Dufour models but at the same time knows how discussions on internet forums easily can "take off".

Anyway, late last summer I was among the first to see and test sail the Oceanis 38. There was also a debate after that in regards to it having too low B/D-ratio.

After this the boat has been chosen as Boat of the year in Europe in it's class and got good reviews as a fun and perhaps also good performer in higher winds.

Any comments on this anomaly?

Best regards and may the summer come slowly, still some snowboarding to do.

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Anyway, late last summer I was among the first to see and test sail the Oceanis 38. There was also a debate after that in regards to it having too low B/D-ratio.

After this the boat has been chosen as Boat of the year in Europe in it's class and got good reviews as a fun and perhaps also good performer in higher winds.

Any comments on this anomaly?

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What anomaly? If I remember correctly you had the idea that the Oceanis 38 could be considered a performance cruiser. the low B/D ratio regards its comparison with performance cruisers and that is not what the Oceanis 38 is, as I had explained at the time. Its B/D ratio is perfectly normal for a main market family cruiser.

Performance cruisers, like the Dehler 38 or the Xp 38 or even the Salona 38, or if you want to look at boats with the same type of hull, the JPK 38, have for an identical draft and same type of keel a clearly superior B/D ratio. It comes with the territory, I mean performance cruisers.

The Oceanis 38 is a very interesting boat with a not very good performance in light winds (for a main market cruiser) but a good performer in all other areas specially downwind with stronger winds. Almost for sure an overall better performance than the Oceanis 37 and that was already a very good main market cruiser.

I posted the opinions of the several testers that elected the boat as European Family cruiser of the year and almost all put all the emphasis not on the sailing performance (that was good) but on the quality of the interior design/space and its versatility that was exceptional and revolutionary. That is what makes that boat exceptional not its sailing characteristics.

The Dehler 38, performance European boat of the year, even if not also elected by its extraordinary sailing performance (but for the balance between quality of the interior and sailing performance) is much faster than the Oceanis 38 and that is not surprisingly, since it is a performance cruiser.

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Vimey is correct.
Perhaps this 3D model was prepared just a a sales tool, i.e. it's a pretty picture.
I have done that too.
But the type of 3D modeling I prefer can be used as a file for CNC cutting so it has to be dead acurate. This is a builder's tool and not just a sales tool.
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I know that you don't make those pretty 3D pictures yourself. You work in 2D and then someone passes the images to 3D . NAs from the new generation like Owen and Clarke just don't use 2D for designing. They do it directly in 3D (and then take from there 2D drawings if needed).

That means that the drawing of that 130ft was made directly in 3D and when the study is finished a program will generate from there the perspectives they want, nice renderings and all. They just have to select the point of view and the angular that they want to use. That's the way those perspectives were generated. Computer don't make mistakes in what regards generating perspectives however boats look better from some angles than others and it is normal that the designer chose the most appealing angle as your designer has made with that boat you have posted.

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