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I work with a team of specialists. I have an engineer, a fellow who is an expert at deck layouts and electronics and Jody Culbertson III an expert in 3D modelling. Each member of the team is given his asignment. Jody happens to be very good with 3D. If you would bother to take the time you will find I have mentioned his name many times and most of the images I post has his name of his company alongside mine. So really, I have no idea what you are talking about.

The fact is, and I know because I actually work in this industry, that you can produce quick 3D renderings for marketing and advertising that will look great but not be up to the tolerances required to be used for tooling files. Or, you can work with very accurate
3D files that can be used for CNC cutting. That's just one way the industry works. It varies from shop to shop. All different approaches are used.

Now you can go on getting all upset anytime I post but I can assure you I am not going away. Time for you to HTFU.

Take a look at this rendering. At the bottom it has my name and the name of Jody's company "C3 Design". I am always very careful to make sure the group that contributes to my design effort gets credit for their contribution.

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Oceanis 38 a performance cruiser? I do not recall me saying that. And Dehler 38 much faster? Having owned an Oceanis 40, I do not think so. That the Oceanis 38 is not that fast in light wind is not that diffcult to predict looking at the rig but I felt something right in the hull when test sailing her and the magazines seems to agree.

Regarding the 3d renderings and distorsions I must say I tend to agree that the picture seems distorted. I earn my living working with 3d modelling in Solidworks. This is the same program that among other Najad, Nimbus and Nautor uses for instance. There are a lot of parameters you can set when rendering pictures and sometimes with rather silly effects. Might not be anything wrong technically with the picture but for a human eye it does look kind of strange in the front.

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Oceanis 38 a performance cruiser? I do not recall me saying that. And Dehler 38 much faster? Having owned an Oceanis 40, I do not think so. That the Oceanis 38 is not that fast in light wind is not that diffcult to predict looking at the rig but I felt something right in the hull when test sailing her and the magazines seems to agree.
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But in fact you are saying that, I mean that the Oceanis 38 has almost the speed of a performance cruiser when you are saying that it will not be much slower than the Dehler 38, that one a performance cruiser.

Fact is that on the comparative test (Voile magazine) with all the boats of the water at the same time and weak to medium light wind the "cheap" Varianta 37 (an older Hanse hull) showed to be much faster than the Oceanis 38 and of course, the Dehler 38 much faster than the Varianta 37, even if the comparison is not fair since the Varaianta 37, like the Oceanis 37 is a family cruiser (main market) while the Dehler 38 is a performance cruiser.

I doubt it but maybe someone has the idea of racing the Oceanis 38 and then we can have the rating files where the differences will be clear. If nobody would take an Oceanis 38 for racing....that would be significant too, meaning it is not that fast

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Barcelona World race: The Spanish Guillermo Altadill and the Chilien José Muñoz

Dias de Playa will be glad Those two will race in Neutragena, a 2007 Farr plan previously known as Veolia Environnement (1st on the 2010 Route du Rhum with Roland Jourdain) and Hugo Boss (3rd on the last Vendee Globe with Alex Thomson), a good boat even if not one from the last generation. There will not be a skipper. Both will race with equal status.

"Guillermo Altadill requires no introductions in the world of ocean sailing. He's Spain's most experienced ocean sailor, having clocked up the highest mileage (some 400,000 miles) and having completed the highest number of circumnavigations (six). He is also the fastest ever Spanish sailor; he has two round the world records and he is one of the world's most esteemed ocean speed sailing experts.

However, his experience is by no means limited to the world of ocean sailing; he took part in the America's Cup in 2007 and also coached the Tornado Class squad to Olympic gold at the Atlanta Olympic Games in 1996.

José Muñoz boasts a track record brimming with top-level competitive sailing and he is Chile's most experienced ocean sailor. José took second place at Portimao 2008/09 alongside Felipe Cubillos. The pair gave a brilliant performance aboard Desafío Cabo de Hornos (Cape Horn Challenge) taking second place overall and two leg victories. A particularly special leg win was between New Zealand and Brazil where the pair rounded the legendary Cape Horn in the lead.

José Muñoz has also crossed the Atlantic three times and is a specialist in IMS, MUMM 36, J24 and Soto 40 racing, as well as expertly adapting to any position on the boat. José is the first ever Chilean sailor to take part in an IMOCA regatta."


Well, not a Spanish team but a Spanish speaking team

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Re: Barcelona World race: The Spanish Guillermo Altadill and the Chilien José Muñoz

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Dias de Playa will be glad Those two will race in Neutragena, a 2007 Farr plan previously known as Veolia Environnement (1st on the 2010 Route du Rhum with Roland Jourdain) and Hugo Boss (3rd on the last Vendee Globe with Alex Thomson), a good boat even if not one from the last generation. There will not be a skipper. Both will race with equal status.

"Guillermo Altadill requires no introductions in the world of ocean sailing. He's Spain's most experienced ocean sailor, having clocked up the highest mileage (some 400,000 miles) and having completed the highest number of circumnavigations (six). He is also the fastest ever Spanish sailor; he has two round the world records and he is one of the world's most esteemed ocean speed sailing experts.

However, his experience is by no means limited to the world of ocean sailing; he took part in the America's Cup in 2007 and also coached the Tornado Class squad to Olympic gold at the Atlanta Olympic Games in 1996.

José Muñoz boasts a track record brimming with top-level competitive sailing and he is Chile's most experienced ocean sailor. José took second place at Portimao 2008/09 alongside Felipe Cubillos. The pair gave a brilliant performance aboard Desafío Cabo de Hornos (Cape Horn Challenge) taking second place overall and two leg victories. A particularly special leg win was between New Zealand and Brazil where the pair rounded the legendary Cape Horn in the lead.

José Muñoz has also crossed the Atlantic three times and is a specialist in IMS, MUMM 36, J24 and Soto 40 racing, as well as expertly adapting to any position on the boat. José is the first ever Chilean sailor to take part in an IMOCA regatta."


Well, not a Spanish team but a Spanish speaking team
Some Chilean sailors did a big effort to put Jose Muñoz onboard with Guillermo Atadil. Guillermo visited Chile many times to organize this business. Jose "Negro" Muñoz is an excellent crewman and I'm sure that will be a very good partner for Guillermo.
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I am still figuring out about the best way to go to the top of my mast alone. I am big and heavy and not properly young.

Well, that's an option: it looks easy, at least for Alex Thomson



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The Seezunge C is a beautiful catboat. Check out the bar!

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You will find also some very beautiful and fast classic cruisers. Marc-Olivier seems to be a very versatile boat architect.


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But in fact you are saying that, I mean that the Oceanis 38 has almost the speed of a performance cruiser when you are saying that it will not be much slower than the Dehler 38, that one a performance cruiser.

Fact is that on the comparative test (Voile magazine) with all the boats of the water at the same time and weak to medium light wind the "cheap" Varianta 37 (an older Hanse hull) showed to be much faster than the Oceanis 38 and of course, the Dehler 38 much faster than the Varianta 37, even if the comparison is not fair since the Varaianta 37, like the Oceanis 37 is a family cruiser (main market) while the Dehler 38 is a performance cruiser.

I doubt it but maybe someone has the idea of racing the Oceanis 38 and then we can have the rating files where the differences will be clear. If nobody would take an Oceanis 38 for racing....that would be significant too, meaning it is not that fast

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As said before and repeating again, It is always much easier to tune and increase a too small or "cheap" rig than a bad hull and keel. So, since I think the Oceanis 38 is such a good looking boat, both externally and especially internally, it is nice to read that the basics seems in place and adequately designed for good performance.

My own guess why it seems to perform good, at least when the small rig is not hampering it, is that Beneteau did not go down the Elan road, trying to make a planing performance cruiser, or cruiser and not going the full "Pogo" distance.

Using modern design input including double rudders but realising that a boat like this is not bought as a cruiser racer or for believing it will plane with cruising loads might perhaps be an explanation.

I personally would rather buy the Oceanis 38 and fix the rig instead of buying the comparatively traditionally designed Dehler with its missing hull windows. Or let's say it like this, do not show the Oceanis interior to your wife if you prefer another boat

On the other hand, a Dehler 38 with the Oceanis modern interior and hull windows and a super interesting package for our taste would be created. Partly it is already on the market but far too expensive. I am talking about the Solaris One 37.

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You will find also some very beautiful and fast classic cruisers. Marc-Olivier seems to be a very versatile boat architect.
Yes, Marc-Oliver von Ahlen is a very versatile Na and a very good one.

I have posted year several of his boats that goes from racers to classic modern boats:

The Sirius 310, 35 and the new 40, the Sailart 22, the SQ 25 all deserved long posts. I believe I had also posted about the Tide series but not about this beauty, the HD 36:





The boat is built by HD, wood specialists, the ones that also build that cat rig design, the Sole. It is very light (3670kg) has a lot of sail area (52m2 with jib) and I am sure it will be a delightful boat to own and sail.

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