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Re: Viko 30s, the first of a new series, a change in paradigm.

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Here you go again, with unsubstantiated claims.
Nowhere in this article is there a comment about the freeboard of the 22, or any other comparison drawn between the S30 and the S22!! Please point it out, if I missed it!
Maybe we should all just adopt the following rules:
1) Paulo is always right.
2) Should the occasion arise, where Paulo is actually wrong, then rule 1 will immediately go into effect.
The article says: "You have to look twice to realize that it really is a new Viko , because the boats of the Polish shipyard have been noticed especially by compromise space efficiency. That is an enormous amount of freeboard."

The Viko 22 is one of those earlier "boats of the Polish shipyard" characterized by "... an enormous amount of freeboard."

By contrast, the Viko 30s "...is significantly flatter than the previous models , is packed with harmonious deck lines and affects absolutely chic."

To those not caught up in a pissing contest, the comparison between the Viko 22 and the Viko 30s couldn't be clearer, in the original article. The contrast also includes the Viko 20, itself one of those earlier "boats of the Polish shipyard."

I, too, thought Robelz original comment was regarding the Viko 30s, not the Viko 22 (as I missed the reference in the subject line), and understood why Paulo asked for clarification. Robelz provided it; issue settled. Nothing else to see here. Move on.

I've got no dog in this fight but, frankly, I'm tired of Bob and his coterie contributing little of substance or value to this thread. I'm glad Bob claims to derive some satisfaction from frequenting it, but, his self-avowed "curmudgeon-ness" is really getting old and I, for one, would appreciate it if he would find some way to take the high road and rein in his snarky attitude.

Can we get back to interesting boats please?
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Re: Viko 30s, the first of a new series, a change in paradigm.

Und dann das: Die Viko 30S ist deutlich flacher als die bisherigen Modelle, glänzt mit harmonischen Deckslinien und wirkt geradezu schick.
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S22/ s30

Maybe Sergio Lupoli should decide this one:
http://sergiolupoli.com/progetto.php?id_progetto=A22
He clearly states in the second paragraph, that the S22 is the first of a new line continuing with the S30.
The S22 is not an earlier boat. It has first been tested 2 mo. ago.
Clear enough now??
For some reason, the above link does not work. Just go to homepage and click on the S22.
http://www.sergiolupoli.com/index.php

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Re: S22/ s30

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Sorry, forgot, rule 2....
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Re: S22/ s30

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Sorry, forgot, rule 2....
Aren't you the clever one.

I declined to invest the 2 euros to download the Yacht.de test review of the Viko S22, which is presumably where Robelz found the critique of the boat originally referenced. However, the photos accompanying that review show a boat with very high freeboard (both under sail and in plan profile) - indeed, there's another photo of the boat completely laid over on its side, presumably without much effort required.

The Viko S22 was first launched in November, 2012. So, it would appear, that in the course of about a year Viko provided a new design brief to Sergio Lupoli that enabled him to design the Viko 30S with less freeboard and an overall more elegant design. Why is any of this controversial?

Not having the Yacht.de S22 review that Robelz presumably referenced, is it not possible that the Yacht.de reviewers hated the S22 but really like the S30? That's what I'm getting from all this. So then why is Paulo wrong in claiming that the earlier Viko boats - i.e., the S20 and S22 - were notable for their extremely high freeboard in comparison with the S30, all of which can be extrapolated from the available information.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I subscribe to yacht. I also understand german. I downloaded the test of the s22. It starts by saying that the yard asked the designer for a 22 and 30 that should deliver performance (sportlichkeit) AND space with good looks. They then go on by saying that first sketches of the s22 showed a nice boat with an advanced rigg but that they where rather dissspointed with the rig when they (finally) got a boat to test. They then conclude that it is good that the rig was rather moderate because the boat lacked stability and sailed very bad. They concluded that this together with the enourmous freeboards makes the boat drift away very fast. And then go on complaining a lot and ends with concluding that only big interior space remained from the good intention.

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If this is about Bob complaining that I had complained regarding his attitude on this thread you should know that all that I asked was for him to be civil, stop calling names and insulting people, stop the paternalistic approach, stop with wise cracks stop to post meaningless posts and posts out of subject.



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No Paulo, it is about you being incapable of disagreeing with anyone, and everyone, without being inflammatory as well, to an absurd degree.

Why do you think i haven't posted in this thread in years?


FFS, you complained about "likes." Seriously?

That was what finally got to me- when you are acting like such an ass, that you complain about how often someone likes something, it is time for someone to point out you're acting like an ass.

Quit being an ass.
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No Paulo, it is about you being incapable of disagreeing with anyone, and everyone, without being inflammatory as well, to an absurd degree.

Why do you think i haven't posted in this thread in years?


FFS, you complained about "likes." Seriously?

That was what finally got to me- when you are acting like such an ass, that you complain about how often someone likes something, it is time for someone to point out you're acting like an ass.

Quit being an ass.
Wow! Now I know what happens when kids like the ones in my daughter's middle school "grow up"... or don't, as it would appear. The childishness of your behavior is quite tiresome, particularly for allegedly "grown" men.

Funny how Paulo only seems to rub a small handful of people the wrong way. Maybe you guys should look in the mirror or something.
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Sorry for confusing you all. Of course the S22 was the boat that YACHT hated...
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