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Ignore them. As you can see there is a group deliberately set out to f..k with the thread and you. Or they clearly miss out on communication.

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Jpk 10.10

While we wait for the first JPK 10.80 movie, a nice one with a new JPK 10.10 sailed by a couple. First sail is always a great moment in any new boat and this one was just a nice sail for the first day out:

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Paolo, are you intentionally being a confrontational ass or is your message simply lost in translation?
If this is about Bob complaining that I had complained regarding his attitude on this thread you should know that all that I asked was for him to be civil, stop calling names and insulting people, stop the paternalistic approach, stop with wise cracks stop to post meaningless posts and posts out of subject.

You should also know that this was the first time I complained about something or somebody ever and that some months back Bob (on another thread) complained harshly about me regarding a technical discussion with him about the use computational fluid dynamics (CFD) by top Nas to improve the performance of their boats. Even if I was always civil on that discussion and even if the moderation agreed that I was only engaging on a constructive debate I was asked by them, at Bob's request, to stop debating with him. They said to me that if Bob started to debate my points a similar message and request would be sent to him. That discussion with Bob was about a relevant matters regarding sailboat design, not trash talk, rude, irrelevant posts or wise cracks.

I believe you have no reason to call me a "confrontational ass", or maybe the message is more clear now

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Re: Viko 30s, the first of a new series, a change in paradigm.

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The freeboard of the 22 is just huge as it is commented on the Yacht de article about the Viko 30s.


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Here you go again, with unsubstantiated claims.
Nowhere in this article is there a comment about the freeboard of the 22, or any other comparison drawn between the S30 and the S22!! Please point it out, if I missed it!
Maybe we should all just adopt the following rules:
1) Paulo is always right.
2) Should the occasion arise, where Paulo is actually wrong, then rule 1 will immediately go into effect.
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Re: Viko 30s, the first of a new series, a change in paradigm.

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Here you go again, with unsubstantiated claims.
Nowhere in this article is there a comment about the freeboard of the 22, or any other comparison drawn between the S30 and the S22!! Please point it out, if I missed it!
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The article says: "You have to look twice to realize that it really is a new Viko , because the boats of the Polish shipyard have been noticed especially by compromise space efficiency. That is an enormous amount of freeboard."

The Viko 22 is one of those earlier "boats of the Polish shipyard" characterized by "... an enormous amount of freeboard."

By contrast, the Viko 30s "...is significantly flatter than the previous models , is packed with harmonious deck lines and affects absolutely chic."

To those not caught up in a pissing contest, the comparison between the Viko 22 and the Viko 30s couldn't be clearer, in the original article. The contrast also includes the Viko 20, itself one of those earlier "boats of the Polish shipyard."

I, too, thought Robelz original comment was regarding the Viko 30s, not the Viko 22 (as I missed the reference in the subject line), and understood why Paulo asked for clarification. Robelz provided it; issue settled. Nothing else to see here. Move on.

I've got no dog in this fight but, frankly, I'm tired of Bob and his coterie contributing little of substance or value to this thread. I'm glad Bob claims to derive some satisfaction from frequenting it, but, his self-avowed "curmudgeon-ness" is really getting old and I, for one, would appreciate it if he would find some way to take the high road and rein in his snarky attitude.

Can we get back to interesting boats please?
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Re: Viko 30s, the first of a new series, a change in paradigm.

Und dann das: Die Viko 30S ist deutlich flacher als die bisherigen Modelle, glänzt mit harmonischen Deckslinien und wirkt geradezu schick.
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S22/ s30

Maybe Sergio Lupoli should decide this one:
http://sergiolupoli.com/progetto.php?id_progetto=A22
He clearly states in the second paragraph, that the S22 is the first of a new line continuing with the S30.
The S22 is not an earlier boat. It has first been tested 2 mo. ago.
Clear enough now??
For some reason, the above link does not work. Just go to homepage and click on the S22.
http://www.sergiolupoli.com/index.php

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Re: S22/ s30

PLEASE ?
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Sorry, forgot, rule 2....
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Re: S22/ s30

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Sorry, forgot, rule 2....
Aren't you the clever one.

I declined to invest the 2 euros to download the Yacht.de test review of the Viko S22, which is presumably where Robelz found the critique of the boat originally referenced. However, the photos accompanying that review show a boat with very high freeboard (both under sail and in plan profile) - indeed, there's another photo of the boat completely laid over on its side, presumably without much effort required.

The Viko S22 was first launched in November, 2012. So, it would appear, that in the course of about a year Viko provided a new design brief to Sergio Lupoli that enabled him to design the Viko 30S with less freeboard and an overall more elegant design. Why is any of this controversial?

Not having the Yacht.de S22 review that Robelz presumably referenced, is it not possible that the Yacht.de reviewers hated the S22 but really like the S30? That's what I'm getting from all this. So then why is Paulo wrong in claiming that the earlier Viko boats - i.e., the S20 and S22 - were notable for their extremely high freeboard in comparison with the S30, all of which can be extrapolated from the available information.
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