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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Boy, snarkyness is very well distributed here. Brings to mind the word hypocryt.
Rather, hypocriters. Smarmonizers!


I leave for three hours.
I come back and Paulo's troops are still whinging about having their feelings hurt.
" We can be snarky but you can't be snarky."
Not one single post about a boat. Not ONE!
Come on guys, grow a pair.
HTFU.

Let's stop this now and get back to boat talk. No snivelling rules just good honest boat talk.

I'm ready for some boat talk. I look forward to Paulo's next post and I'll do my very best to keep my comments civil and HONEST.
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I understand that you're just venting here - or playing second tiny violin to Bob's first tiny violin - but I've seen no evidence whatsoever, anywhere in this 600+ page thread, that your own mastery of yacht design qualifies your assertion regarding Paulo's alleged lack of knowledge of the same. Of course, nothing could be easier and safer than aligning yourself, in this pointless exchange, behind an established NA of Bob's stature, over against an enthusiast of yacht design who spends many hours bringing to our attention the latest developments and trends in the field. Would that Bob took time out from his snarky-ness to contribute as much, which he rarely does, even when asked politely (as I did during the great "chine" controversy - to no effect).

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So, as requested previously, can we please get back to interesting boats and start conducting ourselves in a civil manner? Is that too much to ask?

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A gentle hush falls over the land.
About time.
Time for reflection.
I'm reflecting on dinner. I am making my son Spike's very favorite dish. Probably pretty pedestrian for you Euro gastronomes. But Chicken braised in a white sauce was Spike's favoite dinner and I can do it well. Tonight I spring it on my intern.
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A gentle hush falls over the land.
About time.
Time for reflection.
I'm reflecting on dinner. I am making my son Spike's very favorite dish. Probably pretty pedestrian for you Euro gastronomes. But Chicken braised in a white sauce was Spike's favoite dinner and I can do it well. Tonight I spring it on my intern.
Out here in elitist New England, I served up a bowl of white bean cassoulet with tempeh and shallot confit for dinner, which I made in the slow cooker Sunday. While the tempeh looks rather disgusting uncooked, once it's been in the slow cooker for 4 hours, with white wine, brown sugar, cider vinegar and sautéed shallots, it tastes delicious and provides a nice protein substitute for the usual meats that go into a real cassoulet.

Hmmm... well, I guess cassoulet is French, but they'd never accept a vegetarian substitute. Guess you can rack that up to my Northern California heritage. Now for a glass of Godello, from Galiçia.
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I know about cassoulet but I have never had it. I heard it takes a long time. I don;t like to cook things I can;t poke and prod during the cooking process so I have never sed the slow cooker I bought. It scares me.

Will loves the chicken in a white sauce.

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I know about cassoulet but I have never had it. I heard it takes a long time. I don;t like to cook things I can;t poke and prod during the cooking process so I have never sed the slow cooker I bought. It scares me.

Will loves the chicken in a white sauce.

Bring on the boats!
If you like to poke and prod, then you must acquire a wok immediately, if you don't have one already. It is the prince of poking-and-prodding cookware. Plus you get to turn the flame on "Maximum" at all times!

Speaking of boats, I'll be supplementing my Laser racing program with a full season of J/70 racing, out here in LIS. After having to pass on a KWRW / Miami Bacardi J/70 gig, this past January / February (not to mention the Laser midwinters in Florida), I was granted a reprieve by the governor when a second J/70 gig fell into my lap (or inbox, if you will). I've seen the J/70 up close but have not sailed one yet. I suspect it will not be quite as physically demanding as the Melges 24 I'm accustomed to sailing (or the Laser, for that matter), but given how large the fleets are it should be a great one-design boat. And doing bow on these sportboats is pretty much the same, and a lot easier than doing bow on 40-50 footers. Looking forward to the respite from physical punishment (on non-Laser weekends).
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Speaking of boats, I'll be supplementing my Laser racing program with a full season of J/70 racing, out here in LIS. I was granted a reprieve by the governor when a second J/70 gig fell into my lap (or inbox, if you will). I've seen the J/70 up close but have not sailed one yet. I suspect it will not be quite as physically demanding as the Melges 24 I'm accustomed to sailing (or the Laser, for that matter), but given how large the fleets are it should be a great one-design boat. And doing bow on these sportboats is pretty much the same, and a lot easier than doing bow on 40-50 footers. Looking forward to the respite from physical punishment (on non-Laser weekends).
I find myself in the same boat, so to speak only down here on the Chesapeake. The skipper that I have sailed with for the past 11 years in the Wed. Night races has traded in her J-22 for a J-70. I too have seen these boats up close, but have yet to sail one. It looks like a good fleet but it also sounds like a steep learning curve described as a blend between a J-105 and a Melges 24, a mix that I can't quite imagine having raced both.

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I find myself in the same boat, so to speak only down here on the Chesapeake. The skipper that I have sailed with for the past 11 years in the Wed. Night races has traded in her J-22 for a J-70. I too have seen these boats up close, but have yet to sail one. It looks like a good fleet but it also sounds like a steep learning curve described as a blend between a J-105 and a Melges 24, a mix that I can't quite imagine having raced both.

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If you've sailed M24's then you won't have any problem with the J/70. Indeed, you'll be surprised that you're not in major pain at the end of the day, from not being draped over the lifelines for 4 hours (YMMV depending on the amount of chop you sail in).

In addition to M24s (and J/105s) I've raced M20's on occasion, and I suspect that's pretty close to the J/70 experience, albeit probably more weight sensitive. Lots of J/70 video on YouTube should give you a good idea of the drill. Legs out hiking but nothing aggressive, weight placement important, etc.

Was supposed to go out this weekend but I'm told there's no access to the ramp yet due to snow. Guess plowing wasn't a priority for the club this month. Probably going to screw up Laser racing on Sunday, as well.
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I think minor performance differences aside the draw of the J70 will be fleet size.
How many boats for a typical LIS J70 start? We don't have anything out here that races with the numbers I suspect you have.
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I think minor performance differences aside the draw of the J70 will be fleet size.
How many boats for a typical LIS J70 start? We don't have anything out here that races with the numbers I suspect you have.
Bob - Agreed, and several people sailing J/70's have told me the same thing. Not entirely sure what the fleet sizes will be in LIS - at KWRW and Charleston, J/70's have been the dominant fleets, with more than 60 boats. Owner of my ride told me he expects 40+ at the Cedar Point YC Sportboat Regatta, which is only in its second year of existence. Expect a similar turnout at Sail Newport and Marblehead NOOD, later in the season. Apparently J/Boats is still selling them faster than they can build them, which in this economy is nothing short of remarkable. Frankly, no other class in LIS - aside from Lasers and 420s - is drawing anything remotely like those numbers, so perhaps this will revitalize things a bit.

Pity that IRC and HPR aren't generating more interest, but the money just isn't here right now, I suspect. No good reason to drop serious coin on a new IRC performance cruiser or a Carkeek 40 if you can use your walking around money to buy a J/70 and race against 40+ boats (and only out of pocket for two Cat 3's).
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