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SloopJonB, your comment alone shows that your views and views of others like you, contributed to the total destruction of this thread. There is a reason why vehicles designed on this continent are not a sales hit in the other parts of the world. Same goes for boats. No mass production boat builder will stay profitable by selling "new old boats" and global market economics have proven that time after time.

The Jollenkreuzers where ahead of their time when they were build, together with the boats mentioned by Jeff H on the previous page. First operational sail wings were used in the late 1930s and not on AC boats, as it is believed. So from my perspective, sir, it is your taste that is, well, dated.
Huh? "total destruction of this thread"

Paulo took his ball and went home.

Bob is a very successful yacht designer. Surely that makes him an interesting and valuable contributor to this thread?... even if you don't like his boats or agree with what he says.

Being neither a successful yacht designer nor having any taste, you simply sound petulant, sir. (never enough use of the word `sir', don't you find?)
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The Twisted Knickers Club is alive and well here.

I believe, sir, that people are responsible for their own actions. Jon didn't make anyone do anything, sir.

Checked in the ENCLYCLOPEDIA of YACHT DESIGNERS for more info on Curry but sadly he did not make the book. That surprised me.
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If you look at the way the Francis Lee was engineered and built you would see that she is not in any way a "new old boat". She is very modern in her design and construction. However she was not built to satisfy anyone except Bob and me. So it is perfectly OK if she does not appeal to you. No harm no foul. Cheers! Kim.
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SloopJonB, your comment alone shows that your views and views of others like you, contributed to the total destruction of this thread. There is a reason why vehicles designed on this continent are not a sales hit in the other parts of the world. Same goes for boats. No mass production boat builder will stay profitable by selling "new old boats" and global market economics have proven that time after time.

The Jollenkreuzers where ahead of their time when they were build, together with the boats mentioned by Jeff H on the previous page. First operational sail wings were used in the late 1930s and not on AC boats, as it is believed. So from my perspective, sir, it is your taste that is, well, dated.
I'd check things more carefully before making pronouncements about the rest of the world - Buick is hugely popular in China - the worlds biggest car market. In fact IIRC it is THE biggest luxury brand there. American cars have never been popular elsewhere mainly due to their size - they are designed for American roads and don't fit well on country lanes. Big V8's are frequently heavily taxed elsewhere as well.

I've watched people trying to drive big American cars in Europe - it's amusing to watch them try to fit them in to those little spaces. Just imagine driving a Suburban in London

When they come here and drive on our roads they frequently say "Now I get it!" about their size, suspension & design.

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you simply sound petulant, sir. (never enough use of the word `sir', don't you find?)
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I'd check things more carefully before making pronouncements about the rest of the world - Buick is hugely popular in China - the worlds biggest car market. In fact IIRC it is THE biggest luxury brand there. American cars have never been popular elsewhere mainly due to their size - they are designed for American roads and don't fit well on country lanes. Big V8's are frequently heavily taxed elsewhere as well.

I've watched people trying to drive big American cars in Europe - it's amusing to watch them try to fit them in to those little spaces. Just imagine driving a Suburban in London

When they come here and drive on our roads they frequently say "Now I get it!" about their size, suspension & design.

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We digress briefly from sailing but living here in the UAE - the ultimate "neutral" left hand drive car market in the world where everything is available, there's plenty of cash and U.S. brands are plentiful but struggle despite very competitive pricing - its very apparent that U.S. cars look quite "used" after 3 years compared to the competition - the paint & trim just doesn't hang together. There are exceptions though - the younger guys in the office were just commenting this week how there suddenly seems to be a lot more Dodge Challengers on the road here (compared to Mustangs & Camaros) ........ I do have a soft spot for classic big block V8's despite driving high tech machinery on a daily basis.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

The fabulous thing about how this thread could really be fun is if you have a variety of different views on what is an "Interesting Sailboat". Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That being said, let's all be friends and promise not to make fun of anything unless it starts with Sea and ends with Ray. We are all on the same team here!!


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Checked in the ENCLYCLOPEDIA of YACHT DESIGNERS for more info on Curry but sadly he did not make the book. That surprised me.
Bob, that's one of the most important books on my shelf ! Despite the massive publishing achievement that it represents I've been surprised at the number of successful NA's that have been omitted and how others have been disproportionately represented. Most recently I noticed that Kim Holman and Holman & Pye are left out:
Sailboat designs of Kim¬*Holman by year
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Bob, that's one of the most important books on my shelf ! Despite the massive publishing achievement that it represents I've been surprised at the number of successful NA's that have been omitted and how others have been disproportionately represented. Most recently I noticed that Kim Holman and Holman & Pye are left out:
Sailboat designs of Kim¬*Holman by year
I was one of the subscribers of that effort (subscribers put up the front money.)

It was a huge undertaking and the publishers labored long and hard on it. It is not perfect but it is a very good effort. Maybe some day they will put out an addendum to pick up the missed designers. I hope they do. Kim
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