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Great post Bjung. Fascinating story. Those twin rudders couldn't be more outboard on that boat. I'm having a hard time imagining 87 days. It must be great to have an experience like that to share in common with your father.

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The theam of this thread is "Interesting Sailboats". You are discussing more than one month old news. About the Anasazi Girl that is quite another story. It is obvious that you are not updated on neither Anasazi Girl nor "Interesting Sailboats". And noone cares about the topic of the thread. It is absolutely necessary that someone that cares about the topic is active and doing research related o the topic. This thread has become a disaster since PCB left. I think it is time to close the Sailnet.com "Interesting Sailboats" thread.
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You are entitled to your opinion anders but it is only your opinion. I say we keep it open. Nobody is forcing you to come here. If it bothers you so much you can always just go away.
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Simple as that. Just leave. I will follow this thred a week or so. Please present something interesting!
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We digress briefly from sailing but living here in the UAE - the ultimate "neutral" left hand drive car market in the world where everything is available, there's plenty of cash and U.S. brands are plentiful but struggle despite very competitive pricing - its very apparent that U.S. cars look quite "used" after 3 years compared to the competition - the paint & trim just doesn't hang together. There are exceptions though - the younger guys in the office were just commenting this week how there suddenly seems to be a lot more Dodge Challengers on the road here (compared to Mustangs & Camaros) ........ I do have a soft spot for classic big block V8's despite driving high tech machinery on a daily basis.
Well this is the spirit of European cars:



That's why Rallies are so popular in Europe and so unpopular in the US. Same thing with automatic gearbox. Any European that like to drive will look for a twisting road or twisting track to have fun. No fun with an automatic gearbox or with a big American car. Here you see Europeans and Japanese cars. Not a single American one. Cars or boats, the Europeans like it mores sportive and more fun, Americans heavier and more comfortable....but I think that is starting to change.

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..There is a reason why vehicles designed on this continent are not a sales hit in the other parts of the world. Same goes for boats. No mass production boat builder will stay profitable by selling "new old boats" and global market economics have proven that time after time.
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I agree, Americans have a particular taste, or had since in what regards cars and boats seem to be importing more and more, to the point of making factories there to make European cars and boats. It seems to me American taste in cars and boats is becoming more and more like everybody else's taste, a good one.

I think it is a question of time till they will have interesting cars and boats. Regarding boats they have great design cabinets and Na, look at Farr, Reichel & Pugh, Mark Mills...they are all making great contemporary boats mostly to European brands. With time (I hope) they will be designing for American brands and then they will be competitive in Europe and everywhere, like Jboats is already in Europe.

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I haven't owned an American car since 1969 when I bought my first BMW 2002. Great car. Maybe I was ahead of the curve.

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I've had a pretty even mix of Euro & American cars. So far, the best car for utility, speed, handling, comfort, economy & reliability was a C5 Corvette. The nicest "Just makes you feel good" car is our current Jaguar XJR.

The worst? No question - the Porsches - rusted early, insane parts prices, run of the mill build quality, sketchy handling (in the rear engine models) - overall they were the most overrated and overpriced cars I have ever experienced.

In my part of town, along the #1 highway, the cars most frequently seen dead at the side of the road or being pulled onto flatbeds are Benz's and BMW's.

Average IQ snobbery aside, Euro cars are built for narrow winding roads and American cars are built for the open road - Obviously there are exceptions like my XJR but that is the essential difference driving their personalities.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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That's why Rallies are so popular in Europe and so unpopular in the US. Same thing with automatic gearbox. Any European that like to drive will look for a twisting road or twisting track to have fun. No fun with an automatic gearbox or with a big American car. Here you see Europeans and Japanese cars. Not a single American one. Cars or boats, the Europeans like it mores sportive and more fun, Americans heavier and more comfortable....but I think that is starting to change.



I agree, Americans have a particular taste, or had since in what regards cars and boats seem to be importing more and more, to the point of making factories there to make European cars and boats. It seems to me American taste in cars and boats is becoming more and more like everybody else's taste, a good one.

I think it is a question of time till they will have interesting cars and boats. Regarding boats they have great design cabinets and Na, look at Farr, Reichel & Pugh, Mark Mills...they are all making great contemporary boats mostly to European brands. With time (I hope) they will be designing for American brands and then they will be competitive in Europe and everywhere, like Jboats is already in Europe.

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Besides your usual US bashing and stereotyping, I will have to agree there is a lack of interest in Rallye driving in the US. While the endless circle of NASCAR gets all the attention, sadly Rallye is pretty much non existent. I have always enjoyed when a flipped car gets turned right side up by spectators, who then get peppered by gravel, as the car speeds off.
Definitely a hardcore, skillful sport.
There is however at least one car by a US automaker, although built in Germany, you can see it at 2:15, an Opel (subsidiary of GM). Opel are extremely popular among Rallye drivers, due to low cost and robustness.
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A correction for Paulo. Mark Mills is in the UK not the US. Get upset if you like paulo but that is a fact.

My client Kim, owner of Francis, has done a lot of rallye competitions with his son in the US. I would think it would come as a surprise to Kim to hear that Rallye competitions are "non existent in the US.

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Bob: My "non existent" comment was concerning media coverage.
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