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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I've had a pretty even mix of Euro & American cars. So far, the best car for utility, speed, handling, comfort, economy & reliability was a C5 Corvette. The nicest "Just makes you feel good" car is our current Jaguar XJR.

The worst? No question - the Porsches - rusted early, insane parts prices, run of the mill build quality, sketchy handling (in the rear engine models) - overall they were the most overrated and overpriced cars I have ever experienced.

In my part of town, along the #1 highway, the cars most frequently seen dead at the side of the road or being pulled onto flatbeds are Benz's and BMW's.

Average IQ snobbery aside, Euro cars are built for narrow winding roads and American cars are built for the open road - Obviously there are exceptions like my XJR but that is the essential difference driving their personalities.
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That's why Rallies are so popular in Europe and so unpopular in the US. Same thing with automatic gearbox. Any European that like to drive will look for a twisting road or twisting track to have fun. No fun with an automatic gearbox or with a big American car. Here you see Europeans and Japanese cars. Not a single American one. Cars or boats, the Europeans like it mores sportive and more fun, Americans heavier and more comfortable....but I think that is starting to change.



I agree, Americans have a particular taste, or had since in what regards cars and boats seem to be importing more and more, to the point of making factories there to make European cars and boats. It seems to me American taste in cars and boats is becoming more and more like everybody else's taste, a good one.

I think it is a question of time till they will have interesting cars and boats. Regarding boats they have great design cabinets and Na, look at Farr, Reichel & Pugh, Mark Mills...they are all making great contemporary boats mostly to European brands. With time (I hope) they will be designing for American brands and then they will be competitive in Europe and everywhere, like Jboats is already in Europe.

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Besides your usual US bashing and stereotyping, I will have to agree there is a lack of interest in Rallye driving in the US. While the endless circle of NASCAR gets all the attention, sadly Rallye is pretty much non existent. I have always enjoyed when a flipped car gets turned right side up by spectators, who then get peppered by gravel, as the car speeds off.
Definitely a hardcore, skillful sport.
There is however at least one car by a US automaker, although built in Germany, you can see it at 2:15, an Opel (subsidiary of GM). Opel are extremely popular among Rallye drivers, due to low cost and robustness.
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Bjung:
A correction for Paulo. Mark Mills is in the UK not the US. Get upset if you like paulo but that is a fact.

My client Kim, owner of Francis, has done a lot of rallye competitions with his son in the US. I would think it would come as a surprise to Kim to hear that Rallye competitions are "non existent in the US.
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Bob: My "non existent" comment was concerning media coverage.
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Paulo- think there is another dynamic as regards boats. Much of the US/Caribe/west coast of Mexico have harbors with in a day sail. A significant segment of US sailors are part or full time live aboards. For much of the coastal US the sailing season is longer than non Med. Europe. The economics of boat ownership are different as well. There are a lot of voyaging boats coming out of Europe ( especially France) whereas US boats "snow bird" a lot and for size of population fewer see need to voyage.
Just like it makes sense for me ( any many couples here) to have a 4 by pick up truck, and econo box and a comfy fancy car the requirements for boats is different. Having a non commercial pick up with 17 or less highway mpg would be ridiculous in Europe but having a super comfy 4 door Lariat make perfect sense here.
Quite some time ago you disparaged my airbag Goldwing. You haven't rode to Sturgis. You don't have the experience of this style of living so just don't get it. As said many times- different strokes for different folks. BTW- porche/beemers have very active rallye programs here.
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Re: Sly 43

A nice video of the Sly 43.
http://www.sly-yachts.com/en/sailing-yachts/sly-43
Sadly, linear galleys seem to be in the majority nowadays over 40ft.
It will be interesting to see, if the new owner of Dufour will incorporate some Italian styling into that brand as well.

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Bjung:
I have to agree with you there. But I think there is some TV coverage on some of the minor sports channels. I'll have to check with Kim on that. I don't watch the drag races either. I like Formula One.

In the area where I live I don't know too many people who don't own a 4 by pickup truck. They are almost the standard vehicle on my beach.
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The NBCSports channel on DirectTV carries rally in the USA. I still watch it even though I am long retired from competition. Derek is retired from it too, we plan to race the Francis Lee now to get our competitive kicks.

(Am I the only former FIA licensed Rally driver on this thread?)

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NBCSports also covers F1 here. I have always liked the dry wit of David Hobbs.
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Cars and TV coverage? Really?
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