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C&C will always be known as a Canadian design team, Cuthbertson and Cassian, regardless of how you want to cook it Paulo. The two Georges were Canadians. Simple as that. You seem confused. Canadians do not like being called "Americans". Ask one. I did some consulting work with C&C. In Canada not America.

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But C&C had always been an American firm:

"C&C ... the premiere race boat builder in North America"
History - C&C Yachts

As an European allow me to have a less self centered perspective: C&C are American boats (North American if you want to be picky), were a Canadian brand (not a US one).

I know that most US citizens have a self centered view regarding what is America and American and find they are the only Americans but that is not a global view even if a widely shared one.

Considering C&C American boats is as right has considering Bavaria or Grand Soleil European boats. France is the bigger producer of sailboats but not all European sailboats are French, as well as not all American boats are from the the US.
C&C was never an American firm, they were always Canadian until they were sold to American interests. Even during their short lived attempt to set up some manufacturing in the States, they remained a Canadian company.

As were Grampian, Bayfield, Hughes, Northstar, Chaser, Martin, Cooper, Markos, Philbrooks, Reliance, Gozzard, Waterline, etc. etc. etc.

All Canadian, not American.

Also, we are able to recognize the different countries in Europe - that Swans come from Finland, Beneteaus from France, Bavarias from Germany etc.

They aren't all simply "European" boats to us.

It's not too tough.
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It is only logical that Canada has a great sailing history. We have more than half the coastline in the world. The US is way down the list with less than 10% of Canada's coastline. As a matter of fact countries thought to be quite small geographically, like Norway and Japan have more coastline than the US, which is in 8th place.
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It is only logical that Canada has a great sailing history. We have more than half the coastline in the world. The US is way down the list with less than 10% of Canada's coastline. As a matter of fact countries thought to be quite small geographically, like Norway and Japan have more coastline than the US, which is in 8th place.
This depends on which reference you use. If you use the World Resources Institute values, Canada has the most coastline, with the US at number 2, with about half of Canada's coastline. Much of Canada's coast is open only for a short time each year (like the Northwest Passage), while a substantial part of the US coast is open year around (west coast, gulf coast, Florida east coast, etc).


I assume you got your numbers from the The World Factbook. Note that the wikipedia page on coastline length states that for the The World Factbook, "Note that the scales at which The World Factbook figures were measured are not stated, nor is it known whether the figures are all reported using the same scale, thus the figures are not necessarily comparable across different countries."

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Actually the British Columbia coastline, from the US border to the Alaskan border, is 25,725 kilometers (15,985 miles) - more than the entire US coastline. It includes 40,000 islands of varying sizes, Vancouver Island and Haida Gwai being the largest. Some of the best cruising in the world.
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Actually the British Columbia coastline, from the US border to the Alaskan border, is 25,725 kilometers (15,985 miles) - more than the entire US coastline. It includes 40,000 islands of varying sizes, Vancouver Island and Haida Gwai being the largest. Some of the best cruising in the world.
According to the World Resources Institute, Canada has 265,523 km of coastline, and the US has 133,312 km.

From another source, the Chesapeake bay has 18,804 km of coastline.

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Interesting that both those disparate measurements were from US sources - one the US Defence Mapping Agency and the other the CIA.

No wonder the US Government can't agree on anything.
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Also, we are able to recognize the different countries in Europe - that Swans come from Finland, Beneteaus from France, Bavarias from Germany etc.

They aren't all simply "European" boats to us.

It's not too tough.
Yes, they are all European boats to you or to anybody else that knows geography. The same way US boats and Canadian boats are American boats, more precisely North American boats. That is not an opinion but a fact...unless you decide to change Geography.

Here you have the Canadians of C&C saying that they are North American and making North American boats:

"C&C ... the premiere race boat builder in North America"

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Call it what you want, you are not obliged to respect the official Geography, you can make one of your one, one where you can put also Ireland in UK, for that matter.

This discussion makes no sense, I am out.
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Silly argument. You may want to talk to a couple of Canadians. You seem to want to lump Canadians and Americans together or Canada and America together. That's not going to go down very well my my many Canadian friends. You simply do not know what you are talking about.
But your gone so it doesn't matter. You keep telling us your gone anyway.

And just for accuracy sake:
You say Ireland is not in the UK. There are two countries that use "Ireland" in the name. Northern Ireland and The Republic of Ireland. There is no just plain "Ireland". My bad for being lazy and saying just plain "Ireland". But silly Paulo, you correct me then you make the exact same mistake. In the future I am going to be more careful when I refer to that area.

"Ireland" is as accurate as saying "North America". They are both two different countries.
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Re: Dehler 46

The new Dehler 46, which Paulo posted about a while back, is starting to take shape.
http://www.dehler.com/news/article/a...eel-the-fut-1/
The deck looks very sleek, with a low cabintop. I suspect freeboard will provide standing height below.

http://www.dehler.com/nc/new-46/docu...File%5D=264581

Interresting is, that the 46, just like the 38 does not have chines. Obviously Dehler is interrested in a fast boat. If J/V or Dehler thought chines were necessary for better performance they would certainly incorporate them. Thoughts?
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