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I like Classic American styled boats. That's my style. I am not Euro in any way. Never will be and happy for that. I leave designing those boats for the people who enjoy that style.....
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Also, we are able to recognize the different countries in Europe - that Swans come from Finland, Beneteaus from France, Bavarias from Germany etc.

They aren't all simply "European" boats to us.

It's not too tough.
Are you sure? To some European boats are all the same: Euro style!
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Paulo I think Bobs critique of 3 boats in this months Sailing sums it up. You have the Eagle 54. A " spirit of tradition" boat. Designed in holland( Europe ). A C&C Reline 41 designed in (Ireland ) made inR.I.. And a Hanse 445 designed and built in Europe . Country of origin has little to do with design program or style.
Of more interest is continuing divergence among ocean boats ( CE1). One group going with tried and true evolutionary design elements ( Morris, HR,Passport,Outbound etc.). Other going with low freeboard and dagger boards, or lifting/ chanting keels, or center boards. Some incorporate ultra high aspect bulbed fins. Agree those designs are primarily coming out of Europe but again one offs from Maine and R. I . also include those elements.
Think the boats rather than the countries are more important in this little blue pea in the void.
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Paulo even in the mega yachts you see this. Perini Navi evolutionary. New England Boat works pushing the envelope.
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Paulo:
From what I can see only you have a problem with this. Why don't you give it a rest.

Besides I thought you left. "I'm going. I'm really going. This time for sure I'm outa here. No, I won't back. I'm really leaving this time. I'm gone."
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Well there are definitely fewer pointed shoe boxes with IKEA interiors but there is still interesting stuff going on.

Paulo has his blog if you miss them.
Yes, there a definitely fewer pointed shoe boxes, in fact there is fewer of everything.

As for Paolo's blog, I liked to have the pointed shoe boxes right here in a forum that I frequent.

Since you do not seem to appreciate said shoe boxes, may I pose the question why the feck you came to this thread in the first place?

Boats are like life, variety is good.

Why only listen to the same three country songs all the time?
Why only eat the same three meat and potato dishes all the time? Toss in some Asian food every now to spice things up a wee bit.
Why only drink Napa Cabs when there are so many good wines from Italy and France (and Portugal)?

This thread used to provide a variety of interesting boats, including some classic American designs.

Well, it does no more.

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"Why only listen to the same three country songs all the time?
Why only eat the same three meat and potato dishes all the time? Toss in some Asian food every now to spice things up a wee bit.
Why only drink Napa Cabs when there are so many good wines from Italy and France (and Portugal)?"

Who exactly are you talking to?
Sounds like ignorant stereotyping to me.
You do not know what I listen to, Last Night Mendelssohn's Scottish Symphony.
You do not know what I eat, BBQ'ed chicken and asparagus last night. My Mandarin is pretty good and I assure you that I know all the best Chinese restaurants in the area where I often order off menu dishes, in Mandarin. No sweet and sour pork for me.
You don't know the wines I drink, Washington State Merlot last night. I had a glass of Smith Woodhouse 2003 vintage port after dinner. I've had better vintage ports but his one was fine.

I have pushed for diversity here all along. I'm not going to repeat myself. I like boats, all kinds of boats and I'd like to see all types represented here.

"Happy now?" (give it a rest)

Well, yes I am and I think I'll go fishing.
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Bob,

My post was not directed towards you. In fact it was not directed towards anyone in particular. Just trying to say that variety/diversity is a good thang.

You are right, I do not know what you are listening to, but from reading some of your posts I take it that you are a avid listener to classic music and opera , like to cook and enjoy wine.

Guess what, so do I.

Mozart, cosi fan tutti playing right now, roasted a whole duck last night with dried michigan cherry and lingonberry sauce. 2004 Rioja (WS 94) . Excellent except the whole house smells like duck ;-)

Am I ignorant, maybe. It's all relative.

Edit: the post was probably a directed at SloopyJon's comment re IKEA shoe boxes. A bit.

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Yes, I completely agree. Makes no sense to talk about an Euro style when some of these boats are designed by the best American Na cabinets and Architects. Contemporary Naval Architecture is what they are, the cutting edge in what regards performance/interior space, being them designed in Europe or in America, including South America.

We can also talk about classic boats that are designed taking design semiologic elements from the pasts and among those there are ones that are just outdated in his approach towards sail performance and could really have been designed in the past and those that use that semiologic vocabulary with contemporary cutting edge naval architecture to give to those boats a contemporary character and sail performance.

It's easy to see where what Bob calls "American boats" stand on this panorama.
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Well not sure what to think about all of this. Hate North America as much as some like.
Despite that they can't find popular blogs about anything somewhere else, and guess they are back here.
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I guess you have it all wrong. I like America, I like Canada, I like this forum and this thread that I begin.

I like sailboats I love the work of some great American firms and Architects, I don't like particularly "old shoes" neither outdated sailboats, specially when they are designed now.

I hate when someone wants to identify American Naval architecture with his own designs that he calls "American sailboats" specially when I consider his designs outdated. It seems an insult to those that are truly making great American Naval Architecture and I meant for example Bruce Farr and Reichel & Pugh, that design only what he call incomprehensibly "Euro style boats".

Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike.
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