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Why only listen to the same three country songs all the time?
Why listen to ANY country songs - ever?
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Jorgen:
Thanks for clearing that up.
I have a Strauss opera on here. Not sure which one it is (Arabella), I missed the beginning. live from the Metropolitan Opera in New York. It's a regular Saturday radio feature. Unfortunatly I have new clients showing up here in 45 minutes so I will miss much of it.

Just got back from Silvana Meats. A 1.5 hour drive out ino the countryside where I can buy amazing meat. I bought a ham for tomorrow, a big piece of corned beef, Two steaks for tonight, some Lanjdaegers and some braunsweiger. I had Don Giovani on the car stereo. Somehow dairy cattle and Don Giovanai seem to go well together. Figure that out.

I love Schweinshaxen (sp?) but I don't know if they have it and I'm not sure I could cook it properly.

If you want to put me in a box you had better get a really big box. Better to keep me in the "I love diversity" bin.

Paulo:
"Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike. "

You have "profound dislike" for a country? That is really weird. But to each his own.
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Darn: So you are telling me there are three country songs?

This changes everything.
Now I don't have to listen to CRAZY ARMS over and over and over.

For the record: I enjoy country music, jazz, opera, classical and romantic orchestral music, Australian Aborigine music, Polynesian music, Chinese music, you get the idea.
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Paulo:
"Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike. "

You have "profound dislike" for a country? That is really weird. But to each his own.
That is so wrong, but then coming from you anything is to be expected. I did not said that, you are taking words and sentences out of order to give wrong meanings to what I said. Very dishonest!!!!

I said the opposite of what you said regarding disliking a country:

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I guess you have it all wrong. I like America, I like Canada, I like this forum and this thread that I begin.

I like sailboats I love the work of some great American firms and Architects, I don't like particularly "old shoes" neither outdated sailboats, specially when they are designed now.

I hate when someone wants to identify American Naval architecture with his own designs that he calls "American sailboats" specially when I consider his designs outdated. It seems an insult to those that are truly making great American Naval Architecture and I meant for example Bruce Farr and Reichel & Pugh, that design only what he call incomprehensibly "Euro style boats".

Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike.
I really have a profound dislike for your dishonesty!!!!
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

The May issue of Seahorse has an interview with Juan Kouyoumdjian (Juan K).
A couple of quotes:

"And I must admit that today I see a lot of boats out there where the use of chines is more of a fashion statement than anything else. Some designers are exploiting them well but, yes, a lot of it's about fashion."

"Chines can only make the boat go faster within a very specific set of circumstances, and I don't see these circumstances appearing very often on a normal production boat."
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Paulo writes:
"I hate when someone wants to identify American Naval architecture with his own designs that he calls "American sailboats" specially when I consider his designs outdated. It seems an insult to those that are truly making great American Naval Architecture and I meant for example Bruce Farr and Reichel & Pugh, that design only what he call incomprehensibly "Euro style boats".

Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike."

The last sentence, and it stands alone like a paragraph is this, verbatim:
"Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike."

Your angry words Paulo. I fail to see what is dishonest. Please explain exactly how I am being dishonest. You are clearly very upset but I am not responsible for what you feel. You are the only one responsible or what you write.

Maybe you should give yourself a little time out until you calm down.
I think I'll just ignore you and try to get the thread back to boats for a while.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Some old boats are still quite nice. here you have one sailing on Lake Michigan:

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Thanks for posting those quotes from Juan K. I got raked over the coals for saying the exact same thing here. But I was confident that I was right all along. I appreciate your post.
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Paulo writes:
"I hate when someone wants to identify American Naval architecture with his own designs that he calls "American sailboats" specially when I consider his designs outdated. It seems an insult to those that are truly making great American Naval Architecture and I meant for example Bruce Farr and Reichel & Pugh, that design only what he call incomprehensibly "Euro style boats".

Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike."

The last sentence, and it stands alone like a paragraph is this, verbatim:
"Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike."

Your angry words Paulo. I fail to see what is dishonest. Please explain exactly how I am being dishonest. ....
There is something to explain. Is your English that bad?

I start saying:

"I like America, I like Canada, I like this forum and this thread that I begin."

Then I say what I don't like:

"I don't like particularly "old shoes" neither outdated sailboats, specially when they are designed now.
I hate when someone wants to identify American Naval architecture with his own designs that he calls "American sailboats" specially when I consider his designs outdated. It seems an insult to those that are truly making great American Naval Architecture and I meant for example Bruce Farr and Reichel & Pugh, that design only what he call incomprehensibly "Euro style boats"."


Then I ask regarding the above (what I hate and don't like):

"Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike."

and from this and quoting only the last paragraph you conclude:

"You have "profound dislike" for a country? That is really weird. But to each his own."

and you don't see any dishonesty in taking that conclusion for what I said. Weird!!!! You are not a nice person but then again you have said that you would never behave

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You have "profound dislike" for a country? That is really weird. But to each his own.
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I guess you have it all wrong. I like America, I like Canada, I like this forum and this thread that I begin.

I like sailboats I love the work of some great American firms and Architects, I don't like particularly "old shoes" neither outdated sailboats, specially when they are designed now.

I hate when someone wants to identify American Naval architecture with his own designs that he calls "American sailboats" specially when I consider his designs outdated. It seems an insult to those that are truly making great American Naval Architecture and I meant for example Bruce Farr and Reichel & Pugh, that design only what he call incomprehensibly "Euro style boats".

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Paulo:
From what I can see only you have a problem with this. Why don't you give it a rest.

Besides I thought you left. "I'm going. I'm really going. This time for sure I'm outa here. No, I won't back. I'm really leaving this time. I'm gone."
No Bob, I said that I was going to do what I was doing here on another place since I had no conditions to do it anymore. No you post your boats and I will make a critic for a change. It is interesting too.

I don't understand why you keep posting several times the same picture (4?) of the same boat? The ones that like it would saw it already. Some have already said that was just an old designed boat. I think that one, being posted so many times deserve a critic already.

I understand what you have tried to do with that boat, I mean the classic Semiotics and all but in my opinion you missed:

The boat has too much freeboard regarding the classic semiotics you are trying to evoke:



The cabin is too high to fit nicely on the design:



and those tiny two cabin ports does nothing to try to disguise the big size of the cabin and certainly would not do much for lighting or exterior views:



All in all the boat just looks odd to me, like a good idea that was missed on the way to completion. not really a bad looking boat but not a nice one either. A boat like that, a 60ft daysailer has to be a WOW boat and that one...well I believe that the reaction of most people looking at the boat sailing would not be WOW!!! but more what the hell is that???

Can you post pictures of the inside of the boat? You said that you were going to do that but till now nothing. It seems to me that with so few openings it would be really an old type one, I mean dark.
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