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He was born on the 11th - beat you by a day.
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Paulo what's your critique of the eagle 54. Basically the same feel. Very narrow boat. But unlike Frankie long overhangs and a bit of a transom.
I had posted here about the Eagle 44, a gorgeous boat:



The new Eagle 54 is going to be even more beautiful. That's the kind of boats you can fell in love for the life and pass it to the next generation:

Luxury Daysailers by Leonardo Yachts - Eagle 54 photowall

Talking about big American daysailers I do love also the ones from Stephens Waring: Beautiful boats. I also have posted about them here.



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There are a couple of other minor differences between the lovely Eagle and Francis.
FRANCIS has full headroom, 6'6' and a full, comfortable interior. While conceived as primarily a daysailer it was my intention that the boat be designed for cruising in the PNW. It is just inevitable that this will happen. In fact Kim is going overnight cruising on June 7th. He's sailing up to my beach shack.

Derek, one of Kim's sons, and I are both 6'3". Kim and Brent are 6' tall. We wanted comfortable headroom. I have learned over the years that a 5'8" sailor feels better in a boat with 6'6" headroom. The boat feels big and "airy". The interior of FRANCIS is all white and I can assure you that it is anything but dark. It is very bright below. I'm even hoping that the fabrics chosen for the cushions help mute the interior a bit.

This week FRANCIS will finally get cushions and sea rails. When I feel the interior is finished and photo ready I'll be happy to post photos. As for now it's not and I won't, it simply would not do the boat justice to show it shy of finished. But if you are interested in the layout you can get an idea of it from this drawing.
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Here is an interesting boat. Of course it's an American design in the old fashioned American style but it did win the first race yesterday at the Cortex Racing Association spring regatta. 2nd race was called when time lapsed. This boat also has chines. This kind of boat can take advantage of chines. So I gave it chines.
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When coastal cruising I find that one spends a lot of time climbing in and out of the dingy.How well your vessel accommodates this activity can be a feature of safety as well as convenience. Slick sided high free board and my bum hanging over the skiff just reminds me how I need physio and less beer. Hope I never need to find a boarding ladder from the water. Dingy racing ,day sailing and going ashore for oysters may require some various considerations of what's beautiful/practical.I think that can be labeled compromise unless you think one design is best.
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Here is an interesting boat. Of course it's an American design in the old fashioned American style but it did win the first race yesterday at the Cortex Racing Association spring regatta. 2nd race was called when time lapsed. This boat also has chines. This kind of boat can take advantage of chines. So I gave it chines.

I prefer the new racer made in china without any chine, inverted bow and a huge B/D ratio. Certainly a lot faster (Simonis-Voogd designed) and a cutting edge design.

Interesting Sailboats: FAREAST 31R

As I have said previously chines are mostly used for increased control on cruisers or short crew racers. Also used on offshore crewed racing boats used in very difficult conditions and sailed extensively (VOR boats). There a better control pays off regarding a boat marginally faster but more difficult to control. You seemed to agree with this view since you call them training wheels, as in a bicycle for kids.

Chines can certainly make a boat easier to sail and increase stiffness on a given heel angle but on a boat designed to use all transom as support while heeled they can be detrimental to performance increasing drag. That's why top racing crewed new designs are not using them, or when using them use it very high on the transom, in an almost vestigial way.

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I agree with Juan K. Simple as that. Chines have relevant, beneficial applications on certain types of boats. It's not complicated.

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As I have said previously chines are mostly used for increased control on cruisers or short crew racers. Also used on offshore crewed racing boats used in very difficult conditions and sailed extensively (VOR boats). There a better control pays off regarding a boat marginally faster but more difficult to control. You seemed to agree with this view since you call them training wheels, as in a bicycle for kids.

Chines can certainly make a boat easier to sail and increase stiffness on a given heel angle but on a boat designed to use all transom as support while heeled they can be detrimental to performance increasing drag. That's why top racing crewed new designs are not using them, or when using them use it very high on the transom, in an almost vestigial way.
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Did you get all that Bob?
Jon, If you miss something you have it here with more detail and with some examples:

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Got it Jon. But if I have to choose between Paulo's opinion on chines and Juan K's I think I'll go with Juan K's. Juan K. is a yacht designer of some experience in this area. His ideas make sense to me.
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