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Some old boats are still quite nice. here you have one sailing on Lake Michigan:

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Thanks for posting those quotes from Juan K. I got raked over the coals for saying the exact same thing here. But I was confident that I was right all along. I appreciate your post.
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Paulo writes:
"I hate when someone wants to identify American Naval architecture with his own designs that he calls "American sailboats" specially when I consider his designs outdated. It seems an insult to those that are truly making great American Naval Architecture and I meant for example Bruce Farr and Reichel & Pugh, that design only what he call incomprehensibly "Euro style boats".

Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike."

The last sentence, and it stands alone like a paragraph is this, verbatim:
"Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike."

Your angry words Paulo. I fail to see what is dishonest. Please explain exactly how I am being dishonest. ....
There is something to explain. Is your English that bad?

I start saying:

"I like America, I like Canada, I like this forum and this thread that I begin."

Then I say what I don't like:

"I don't like particularly "old shoes" neither outdated sailboats, specially when they are designed now.
I hate when someone wants to identify American Naval architecture with his own designs that he calls "American sailboats" specially when I consider his designs outdated. It seems an insult to those that are truly making great American Naval Architecture and I meant for example Bruce Farr and Reichel & Pugh, that design only what he call incomprehensibly "Euro style boats"."


Then I ask regarding the above (what I hate and don't like):

"Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike."

and from this and quoting only the last paragraph you conclude:

"You have "profound dislike" for a country? That is really weird. But to each his own."

and you don't see any dishonesty in taking that conclusion for what I said. Weird!!!! You are not a nice person but then again you have said that you would never behave

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"Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike. "

You have "profound dislike" for a country? That is really weird. But to each his own.
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I guess you have it all wrong. I like America, I like Canada, I like this forum and this thread that I begin.

I like sailboats I love the work of some great American firms and Architects, I don't like particularly "old shoes" neither outdated sailboats, specially when they are designed now.

I hate when someone wants to identify American Naval architecture with his own designs that he calls "American sailboats" specially when I consider his designs outdated. It seems an insult to those that are truly making great American Naval Architecture and I meant for example Bruce Farr and Reichel & Pugh, that design only what he call incomprehensibly "Euro style boats".

Is this hating America? And I use hate as an expression. Not really hate, just a profound dislike.
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Paulo:
From what I can see only you have a problem with this. Why don't you give it a rest.

Besides I thought you left. "I'm going. I'm really going. This time for sure I'm outa here. No, I won't back. I'm really leaving this time. I'm gone."
No Bob, I said that I was going to do what I was doing here on another place since I had no conditions to do it anymore. No you post your boats and I will make a critic for a change. It is interesting too.

I don't understand why you keep posting several times the same picture (4?) of the same boat? The ones that like it would saw it already. Some have already said that was just an old designed boat. I think that one, being posted so many times deserve a critic already.

I understand what you have tried to do with that boat, I mean the classic Semiotics and all but in my opinion you missed:

The boat has too much freeboard regarding the classic semiotics you are trying to evoke:



The cabin is too high to fit nicely on the design:



and those tiny two cabin ports does nothing to try to disguise the big size of the cabin and certainly would not do much for lighting or exterior views:



All in all the boat just looks odd to me, like a good idea that was missed on the way to completion. not really a bad looking boat but not a nice one either. A boat like that, a 60ft daysailer has to be a WOW boat and that one...well I believe that the reaction of most people looking at the boat sailing would not be WOW!!! but more what the hell is that???

Can you post pictures of the inside of the boat? You said that you were going to do that but till now nothing. It seems to me that with so few openings it would be really an old type one, I mean dark.
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Paulo:
You are becoming obsessed with attacking me. You are manic about it.
I suggest some professional help from a good counselor.

My client loves FRANCIS and I'm certain he could care a less what you think of it. I sure don't.

Take a rest. You sound like you need one.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Gee Bob, I guess you should have put a fat a$$ and some chines on Frankie.
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Yes Jon, the client would have loved that. "But, but, but,,,,,,,, You're fired!"
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My turn it only has one mast, only a schooner can be beautiful.
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Tomorrow we will celebrate Easter. A big ham, my own white sauce, some peas and mashed spuds washed down with a Schoss Vollrads Qualitatswein mit Pradikat.(sp) I have been saving. (I'm big on Schloss Vollrads, it's the wine I drank the night I got married. Pretty much a typical American Easter meal with much better than average wine.

No angry people. Lots of boat talk. Lots of computer talk. Lots of music making. And yes, most of the music will be country music. Why not? It's America. It's our music. I like it. If you are not American you are not supposed to understand. You can't.

I hope all of you enjoy Easter.
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