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Paulo what's your critique of the eagle 54. Basically the same feel. Very narrow boat. But unlike Frankie long overhangs and a bit of a transom.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

I really enjoyed the old thread.
I am starting to really enjoy the new thread also.
Its just not really about yachts.
You guys sure are funny though!
By the way the new GC32 cat (with J boards) looks like the real world foiling deal.
A bunk in each hull and I would be more than happy.
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Lots of music making. And yes, most of the music will be country music. Why not? It's America. It's our music. I like it. If you are not American you are not supposed to understand. You can't.

I hope all of you enjoy Easter.
The Blues, Jazz & Rock & Roll are all American too Bob - no-one need suffer through cowboy music just to be patriotic.

We have our kids and their families, including our week old grandson and the in-laws here for Easter - a full & happy house.

Hope it's the same for all of you.
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Jon:
My grandson was born last Saturday. When was yours born?

We play all types of music but it just so happens that my musical buddies gravitate to mostly C&W when we get together. We certainly do not "suffer" through it. There is some mighty fine C&W music. Check out the TIME JUMPERS. Tremendous musicians.


Have a great family Easter Jon.
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He was born on the 11th - beat you by a day.
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Paulo what's your critique of the eagle 54. Basically the same feel. Very narrow boat. But unlike Frankie long overhangs and a bit of a transom.
I had posted here about the Eagle 44, a gorgeous boat:



The new Eagle 54 is going to be even more beautiful. That's the kind of boats you can fell in love for the life and pass it to the next generation:

Luxury Daysailers by Leonardo Yachts - Eagle 54 photowall

Talking about big American daysailers I do love also the ones from Stephens Waring: Beautiful boats. I also have posted about them here.



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There are a couple of other minor differences between the lovely Eagle and Francis.
FRANCIS has full headroom, 6'6' and a full, comfortable interior. While conceived as primarily a daysailer it was my intention that the boat be designed for cruising in the PNW. It is just inevitable that this will happen. In fact Kim is going overnight cruising on June 7th. He's sailing up to my beach shack.

Derek, one of Kim's sons, and I are both 6'3". Kim and Brent are 6' tall. We wanted comfortable headroom. I have learned over the years that a 5'8" sailor feels better in a boat with 6'6" headroom. The boat feels big and "airy". The interior of FRANCIS is all white and I can assure you that it is anything but dark. It is very bright below. I'm even hoping that the fabrics chosen for the cushions help mute the interior a bit.

This week FRANCIS will finally get cushions and sea rails. When I feel the interior is finished and photo ready I'll be happy to post photos. As for now it's not and I won't, it simply would not do the boat justice to show it shy of finished. But if you are interested in the layout you can get an idea of it from this drawing.
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Here is an interesting boat. Of course it's an American design in the old fashioned American style but it did win the first race yesterday at the Cortex Racing Association spring regatta. 2nd race was called when time lapsed. This boat also has chines. This kind of boat can take advantage of chines. So I gave it chines.
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Re: Interesting Sailboats

When coastal cruising I find that one spends a lot of time climbing in and out of the dingy.How well your vessel accommodates this activity can be a feature of safety as well as convenience. Slick sided high free board and my bum hanging over the skiff just reminds me how I need physio and less beer. Hope I never need to find a boarding ladder from the water. Dingy racing ,day sailing and going ashore for oysters may require some various considerations of what's beautiful/practical.I think that can be labeled compromise unless you think one design is best.
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Here is an interesting boat. Of course it's an American design in the old fashioned American style but it did win the first race yesterday at the Cortex Racing Association spring regatta. 2nd race was called when time lapsed. This boat also has chines. This kind of boat can take advantage of chines. So I gave it chines.

I prefer the new racer made in china without any chine, inverted bow and a huge B/D ratio. Certainly a lot faster (Simonis-Voogd designed) and a cutting edge design.

Interesting Sailboats: FAREAST 31R

As I have said previously chines are mostly used for increased control on cruisers or short crew racers. Also used on offshore crewed racing boats used in very difficult conditions and sailed extensively (VOR boats). There a better control pays off regarding a boat marginally faster but more difficult to control. You seemed to agree with this view since you call them training wheels, as in a bicycle for kids.

Chines can certainly make a boat easier to sail and increase stiffness on a given heel angle but on a boat designed to use all transom as support while heeled they can be detrimental to performance increasing drag. That's why top racing crewed new designs are not using them, or when using them use it very high on the transom, in an almost vestigial way.

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