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Anyway I think the Opium 39 is not available anymore because Wauquiez doesn't exist anymore.
I guess I missed the announcement - did they just now close their doors?
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Their website looks like business as usual.
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Wauquiez - Les Bateaux Lumière
They probably pay a web developer to run the website. If they are out of business, they might not have any money to pay him to update the website. Valiant Yachts no longer builds new boats as of a couple of weeks ago, yet their website hasn't been updated to reflect the change.
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Opium 39 interior panorama

Hey Guys, they seem to be starting well.

They have improved their website with a very complete and impressive vrtual visit to the Opium 39.

Now you don't have to believe me . Trough the virtual visit you can feel the perfection on this boat. Nothing less, nothing more. Comfortable lean and fast.

I believe one of the reasons they have not sold it was because people new that Wauquiez was full of debts and were afraid they could pay the signal for a boat...and have no boat at all. Now, with the back up of big money people can be confident again .

Take a look, on the inside and on the outside:

Bateau Opium 39 by Wauquiez : Wauquiez

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Hi Paulo!
You are right, Opium39 becomes an option again. The February Yacht-Test is interesting. Didn't they offer a lifting keel before? Now it is a 1.25m swing keel which hasn't the disadvantage of the very much reduced interior space. On the other hand the boat can probably not stand on it anymore as shown here
(On Wauquiez - Les Bateaux Lumière it sometimes still looks like the lifting keel with 1.45 draft)
The whole boat looks better now. But how can they build that light with all this comfort?
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Hi Paulo!
You are right, Opium39 becomes an option again. The February Yacht-Test is interesting. Didn't they offer a lifting keel before? Now it is a 1.25m swing keel which hasn't the disadvantage of the very much reduced interior space. On the other hand the boat can probably not stand on it anymore as shown here
(On Wauquiez - Les Bateaux Lumière it sometimes still looks like the lifting keel with 1.45 draft)
The whole boat looks better now. But how can they build that light with all this comfort?
Hi Ulf!

That boat is an Opium made before Wauquiez started making them.

They never had a lifting keel, always a swinging keel or a fixed keel. That one has the fixed keel that has a 2.13 draft. The one I had sailed had a swing keel and the interior is not very different.

I would prefer the fixed keel version. The need for the swing keel has to do with the big tides on the west coast of France.

The boat is well made and the interior is light but of good quality. They use vinylester resin, vacuum injection and multiaxial fiberglass in the laminate, all to have the least weight and the maximum strengh

I have noticed that they have now a very nice upgrade: the pole for the geenaker is now integrated in the hull and with an easy way to move it in and out. It looks very similar to the one from the Elan 350

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Pogo cruisers

Ladies, gentlemen,

Please excuse me for the continental accent, since Dutch and French are my mother languages.
I have been following this thread for quite some time and found it very interesting and especially helpful.

After 30 years of extensive chartering we finally decided to buy our own boat. Indeed a very irrationate decision, especially when you make the maths, but one once gets tired of downsized rigs, chek-ins and -outs, lousy sails and worn batteries. Now we also would like to be able to go out sailing whenever we want, without extensive planning weeks or months in advance. That's when passion beats ratio and a charterer becomes an owner.

The Pogo rationale has been discussed very well in this thread.
Before signing up for a 12.50, we visited the Structures yard and their very first 12.50 "Lazuli", and then sailed a 10.50 for a week in Brittany, our very last charter.

Our first experience confirms much of what has been sead on this forum and especially Paulo's very accurate analyses.

The 10.50 has a below average upwind performance but bearing off 10° already gives exhilarating sailing sensations. Pogo's are traditionally built by and for solo sailors, so being overcanvassed just slows you down but without ever bringing you out of control, even when the autopilot is in charge.

Except when manoeuvring on the engine and in close quarters, which is already quite a challenge with the keel (deep!) down and a real nightmare when it's up, because of the twin rudders and the very low weight. So our Pogo will definitely have a (retractable) bow thruster, even if the added weight is a kind of sacrilege in this kind of boats.

4 crew and their one week gear seemed OK, but any more weight will certainly slow you down a lot. It will be a hard but very rewarding challenge to keep the boat as light as possible.

The interior is indeed basic, but works very well. No dust or mildew can hide behind countermouldings and no doors or drawers can hinge out or break down, since there are none. And the lack of space that has been taken beneath berths to foam up the boat and make it unsinkable will probably help us not to overload it.
The "Swiss chalet" feeling of a classic yacht interior is missing and we also didn't mind having all the bolts and other structures in right sight.
I'm probably very, very lucky that my beloved wife thinks the same way about this.

When visiting the boatyard it became clear why these Pogo's are expensive. High-tech but fully handmade by absolute no-nonsense sailing freaks, I would not be surprised that cruising clients like us somewhat sponsor the development of their core businness, which is building racing boats.
Having signed the contract in september 2010, we now look forward to a handover in april ... 2012. This also explains why you don't even try to discuss about any discount on a Pogo.

I will keep you updated and look forward to further discuss the pro's and cons of this kind of cruisers.

Best regards and please keep up this excellent thread,

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Eric,

At least this left coaster from NA could not see your accent per say. Written English is written english! Altho some of us are not as good as we should be!

It is nice to see someone with experience on these boats to say the reports etc are in line with owners reports per say! Keep replying!

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Thanks Marty!

Expert opinions on this thread have helped us a lot when deciding for a boat of our own and I very much look forward to discuss different choices with all of you.

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Eric, thanks for your kind words

Are you Flemish (Dutch and French)? I have learned much of what I know about sailing with a Flemish sailor and certainly my English is not better than yours, mine is kind of a Latin one

And also thanks for your post and your impressions about the Pogo 10.50. Yes you are certainly right about the added difficulty in what regards steering two rudder light boats (motoring) on the marina maneuvers. There are no water from the propeller on the rudders, they circle in a wider space than a conventional boat, are a lot harder to steer backwards and to swing it on a berth.

I also found out on the Opium and on the RM that while they were fine boats while sailing they were a bit slow motoring. I remember that the Opium seemed to glide while sailing but seemed a lot "heavier" while motoring. The boat is very light and with a 40hp engine it should have a very good engine cruising speed, but that was not the case. I have confirmed that with the test results in several boat magazines.

I know that this kind of boats need very little wind to sail, but sometimes there are not any. You have also find this symptoms on the Pogo? I mean, great while sailing, not so great while motoring?

As a side comment, it is nice to find sailors, cruising sailors that choose boats like the Pogo, sailors who find that the pleasure of sailing is so important as the cruising in itself. You will find several around this thread. Welcome to the club. We are a growing community on this forum.

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