Interesting Sailboats

[TJMAC]

Thank you Paulo. From what I understand the new A40rc is only about .5 knots faster than the first generation A40's along with a different layout. Insane that for such a marginal difference a 5 year old A40 is almost obsolete! As far as the broker's link you posted, I most certainly didn't forget. A situation of buying an item that I want far below it's true value is the only way I shop or do business. Thanks!

[PCP]

Hey Guys,

For the ones that want a boat that has a class 40 as a model, but is really adapted to long distance cruising, have a look at the Walkabout 43. The boat is beautiful, looks expensive and custom, but that is not the case, I mean expensive, for what they offer.

The story of the boat begins like this:


"After 4 years of circum-navigation of the globe we started searching for the ideal boat that would fit those characteristics result not only from our experience, but also from tips and considerations of those who sailed along. Not finding any suitable boats on the market we asked David Reard, a french naval architect, to design it. For the realization then, convinced of the validity of the project, we established a boatyard where has been carried out all stages of construction. The Walkabout 43 N ° 1 was launched in late July 2010"

The numerous requests for information and advice about sailing the high seas and the desire to allow others people to live the wonderful experiences of around the world cruising, have pushed Lorenzo Leonello and Annalisa De Cesare to found a boatyard for the construction of sailboats suited to sailing the high seas.

A challenging goal, which has found support in the technical skills of French designer David Reard. Born from the pencil (or rather from CAD) by David Reard, Walkabout 43, is robust and secure, she is a boat capable of ensuring tranquility during the more difficult navigation.

Sandwich construction with epoxy ensures both strength and light displacement. Light displacement and innovative water lines inspired by oceanic regatta boats give excellent performances with any condition of the sea and wind as those which reserve long oceans cruising. Think about do an ocean crossing in half the time!!

But speed doesn't mean only shorten distances but also increasing security. The great stability which give the shapes allows not only to increase the power but also to require less frequent changes of sails or reductions than the standard production boats. Stability combined with the simplicity of manoeuvres allow to sail the boat alone or in couple.

The large beam and the sleek design of the deckhouse stretched towards the bow offers the habitability of boats of larger sizes.

Spacious interiors designed for comfort and convenience of life on board. Great attention not just looking for the functionality, but also to the aesthetics of furniture that doesn't save precious woods. Porthole and hatches are chosen with security in mind in navigation and to life on board in the tropics where you need a good ventilation.

Pleasant life inside, but especially outside where a wide cockpit allows you to host a large crew and trasform into a terrace on the sea during stops in anchorage or marina for convivial moments with friends and relax in the Sun.

The technical solutions chosen for the systems and equipment are the best that the market can offer to withstand the intense use that a life aboard can reserve.


Well, I have to say that the boat really looks good and practical to me and I am sure it is a fast boat that can make extensive cruising a pleasure.

Walkabout Yachts


What do you say guys?


















They are also proposing a full line of "Walkabouts":



The 37







The 40





Regards

Paulo

[myocean]

This is astonishing!
Looks really like quite interesting bluewater boats! And they are indeed very light.
I wonder if they are really fast in real life. Which speed can be expected? As discussed before the payload could be the cruicial point. However, even if not really fast, you would still have a nicely optimized design for a circumnavigation! May be better than an RM.
And, of course, I like the two tillers which leave more living space when mooring.
Ulf

[PCP]

Originally Posted by myocean

This is astonishing!
Looks really like quite interesting bluewater boats! And they are indeed very light.
I wonder if they are really fast in real life. Which speed can be expected? As discussed before the payload could be the cruicial point. However, even if not really fast, you would still have a nicely optimized design for a circumnavigation! May be better than an RM.
And, of course, I like the two tillers which leave more living space when mooring.
Ulf

Hi Ulf,

No, this boat is much faster than the RM 1350.

This boat weights with its Max load less than the RM empty. This is more like a Pogo designed to circumnavigate.

Take a look at this numbers:

Lenght Overall
13.68 m
Hull Lenght
12,99 m
Lenght at Waterline 12.70 m
Maximum Beam 4,50 m
Draught 2,15 m
Keel weight 3200kg
Light Displacement 7200 kg
Maximum Displacement 9500kg
Maximum load 2300 kg

The most amazing number for me is the Ballast/weight ratio. Truly outstanding and a very good indicator of the boat seaworthiness.

The Max load is in concordance about what I have been saying about the Pogo 12.50 (that is really a 40ft boat). The max load of this boat (all things included, people, tankage, equipments and provisions) is 2300kg.

If we take into consideration the weight of both boats (5.5T and 7.2T) and make a proportion for an equivalent MAX load, the one of Pogo 12.50 would be of 1757 Kg. If we take the weight from tankage ( +-500kg) and the weight for 4 crew and equipment (720kg) the remaining load capacity for spars, tools and provisions would be only 355kg. The same remaining weight on the Walkabout (considering the same tankage) would be of 898kg, that is a more reasonable load for a circumnavigation, or for cruising in far away places.

Regards

Paulo

[myocean]

Hi Paulo!
Still I would be sceptical about the numbers. From the catamaran world I have learned that especially some small (new) builders tend to present displacement numbers which are far too optimistic (so too low).
I like to have the true measured weight of such a ship...
And: Who says that the specified payload still guarantees higher speen by planing?

Ulf

[PCP]

Originally Posted by myocean

Hi Paulo!
Still I would be sceptical about the numbers. From the catamaran world I have learned that especially some small (new) builders tend to present displacement numbers which are far too optimistic (so too low).
I like to have the true measured weight of such a ship...
And: Who says that the specified payload still guarantees higher speen by planing?

Ulf

Ulf, this boat is much lighter than the RM. Has to be, the building technique is much more high-tech and lighter:

" To guarantee your safety the solidity of the epoxy composite hull , watertight bulkheads at the bow and stern to prevent sinking in case of collisions.
The construction of the hull is in sandwich with epoxy resin. Inner skin is 10 mm okumè marine grade plywood ; the soul is a closed cell PVC vacuum glued with epoxy resin and the outer skin consists of quadriaxial e-glass fibre laminated with epoxy resin.

The sandwich obtained has 35 mm thickness and in addition to providing great robustness has an excellent thermal and acoustic insulation.

The deckhouse is made of sandwich composed for the internal skin of tissues of biaxial e-glass laminated with epoxy, PVC foam bonded under vacuum with epoxy, and for the outer skin quadriaxial e-glass laminated with epoxy resin under vacuum over male model to get an elegant and self-supporting form .

A technology and quality of materials to ensure solidity and light displacement.
Junction hull-deck
Unlike the tipical production boats the deck isn't bolted and glued to the hull, but laminated to it so you get a monolithic structure that guarantees maximum resistance to the enormous efforts torsional induced by ocean navigation.

Carbon fibre chainplates laminate on the hull for a maximum resistance with excellent uniformity of materials.
Frame of structural reinforcements in laminated plywood at the bottom of the hull to distribute the efforts of the keel."

Walkabout Yachts

These are building techniques used in some racing boats.

David Read, the designer is a French with lots of experience in using these techniques, in designing fast boats and in following their building. The Bepox series are famous by their qualities among the French.

http://www.davidreard.com

The walkabout is only slighter heavier than a same sized Pogo, not by the way it's built, but because has an interior heavier and one more adapted to cruising.

The 40ft (that is comparable to the Pogo 12.50) weights a bit more: 6 120kg to 5.500kg. The difference is a lot less than 620kg because the Walkabout has a better Ballast/displacement ratio.

But I guess that you have misunderstood me. I was comparing the Pogo 12.50 with the Walkabout 43. A very naked Pogo costs (fixed keel) 176 000 euros, a walkabout 43 costs 250 000€ (I don't know the level of finish) so there are 70 000€ of difference in price.

What I was saying is that is the size this type of boat should have for extended cruising on far away places, unless is cruised solo or eventually in duo.

Regarding loading capacity what I was saying is that it is very easy to reach the Pogo 12.50 max load and that with its max load the Pogo will have difficulty in planning, but with the same load, the Walkabout 43 is only at half load and will sail and plan better.

That's why they are making a Pogo 50, for the ones that really want to sail to far away places and circumnavigate with some comfort and load.

Voiles et Voiliers : Chantier - Nouveauté : Pogo 50 : Croisière «No limit» !

Regards

Paulo

[myocean]

Yes, that way it becomes reasonable. I was just critical about the blue water real life performance of the 40 ft.

[PCP]

New review on the Salona 41. A short one (first impression) on Voile et Voiliers:

they have said:

"With another circumstances the lack of wind could have penalized another boat. For the Salone 41...it was almost a sales argument: With 4K of wind and with the 140% genoa, the boat was making a steady 4K (wind speed).

... A beautiful boat for the sailors that want a performance boat without the sacrifices of a true racing boat."





And look at the steel grid that distributes the loads from the keel and mast. I have looked at one at the shipyard and it looks really well made. it just adapts perfectly to the hull. That's one of the things that just make this boat stand from the competition. Systems like this are only used by considerably more expensive boats, like the X-Yacht, Luffe or Grand-Soleil.




Look at this characteristics:





With 110m2 for 7.2T of weight, a sharp hull with only 3.84 of beam, it is not surprising that the boat needs only 4K wind to sail. The Ballast/Displacement is also on the good side, a lot better than the one from the Dufour 40e, for instance. The boat has a good capacity diesel tank, but the water one it is not big enough, in my opinion. They offer as an option an additional one with 100L and with that, the water capacity is enough for me (they have a foot sea water pump to have also sea water).

Another interesting feature is the possibility of choosing 4 different drafts, from 1.75 to 2.68M. Pick the one you want, depending to the use you are going to give the boat and the cruising grounds (the weight of each is different, from the heavier with 1.75 to the lighter with 2.65).

Regarding cruising another interesting feature is the possibility of having an all LEED lighting, interior and navigation. That will permit to have the lights on while at anchor, even some reading at night. My wife would love that option


Regards

Paulo

[TJMAC]

Beautiful Paulo.

[bb74]

On the Salona 41 - they need to take another look at the rigging there. Your foresail traveler is going to be severely limited by the inner stay. BIG issues if you're going for a 110% or want to use a light gennaker up front.

Likewise, they have the German main sheet system, but likewise, this overlaps the foresail track. Big issue if your going off wind and have the main and foresail rigging chafing against one another.

Certainly looks nice and well built, but those are two clear "issues" with the current set-up. This boat is set-up for a sym-spinnaker I guess? The blocks are too far forward to single hand a sym and even double handing may be tricky with one person in the steps as the blocks are far forward.

Again, looks like a nice boat, but a bit of a hybrid with some concessions you wouldn't want on a "sport" boat.