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Hei Yus, I had a look at the Baba 35 and it is a nice boat with a cozy interior, but certainly a slow one ....
The Azuree only has a water tankage of 160L and that's really not enough for living aboard. the Elan 350 has and identical problem. I think that this will be the biggest problem, not the interior space.
... I think that this will be the biggest problem, not the interior space.

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Hello Paulo,
I think the Azuree is more strong and safe than the Oceanis 37.
About the poor water storage capacity I think it should not be a big problem because I intend to use a water mater.
My biggest problem concerns the living space in the galley and cabins, but your reply satisfies me.
Could you make a comparison between RM 1050 and the Azuree 33?
Mainly based on safety and internal space.
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I think for living aboard a good solution for this issue which is actually a weight-issue is a watermaker. Use the water tank as buffer and for safety but use the watermaker for the continuous demand. However the energy for this needs to come from somewhere, e.g. from the watt-and-sea generator. So its going to be expensive...
For living aboard a watermaker as a good solution? It seems a good solution for voyaging but for two living aboard and take occasionally as guests another couple?

This boat has not space for the generator so you would have to run the engine not only to recharge batteries for the lights and the freezer but also to run the watermaker. All the alternative power solutions (wind and solar) would not even get close of 1/3 of the energy needs and the boat has only a 96L diesel tank. It would not be not only expensive as also unpractical unless Yus passes most of its time at the marina.

Regarding water consumption in my old boat the 300L water with 4 aboard lasted for 4 days and that included a careful use of water. Sure we had two women aboard and you know how are women with washing but that does not include proper showers for all. In fact that includes only taking the salt out of the body on the transom.

160L of water tankage is really very little as water autonomy for living aboard especially if you intend to have occasional guests.

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Hello Paulo,
I think the Azuree is more strong and safe than the Oceanis 37.
Hum! I don't know why you say that. The Azuree has a more hi-tech building but that is needed for a lighter boat (cored boat). The Beneteaus have a solid monolithic construction and I never heard nothing about the 37 not being solid. About safety why do you say that? Normally bigger boats are more seaworthy than smaller boats and I don't see anything that makes the Azuree different from the Oceanis 37 in that regard.

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About the poor water storage capacity I think it should not be a big problem because I intend to use a water mater.
My biggest problem concerns the living space in the galley and cabins, but your reply satisfies me.
Could you make a comparison between RM 1050 and the Azuree 33?
Mainly based on safety and internal space.
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About the use of the watermaker as main supply of water as a permanent set up for living aboard see what I said on the last post.

Regarding the RM 1050 and the Azuree 33 the RM is a boat much more addapted for extensive long range cruising (it was designed for that) and therefore much more adapted for living aboard. The only set back is that the front cabin does not have a door and can only be closed with a curtain. All the rest is better, including storage space, galley and tankage.

Just look at the difference in what regards water tankage: 720L to 160

RM 1050 - Yes chantier naval, spécialiste du bateau de voyage

Regarding safety this boat has a much bigger ballast/disp. ratio compared with both the Oceanis and the Azuree. It is a stiff boat with many transatlantic crossings and a safe bluewater boat. The possibility of a cutter rig (that some have) increases also that bluewater character and makes it an easier boat to sail with bad weather.

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Yus,

I would have to agree with Paulo, ASSUMING you are living aboard ALL the time, in a marina, at anchor etc. If in a marina a lot, adding water to the tanks via hose is not bad, but at anchor?!?!?! Not sure I would want to "depend" if you will on a water maker per say.

BUT, with this in mind, if you are going to buy the boat new, it has 160L of water in one tank, it could be worth asking if there is a locker where another 100-200L of water could go. Like maybe in the front V berth area. Fill when guests are on board and anchor sailing/cruising, but when marina cruising etc, leave empty.

Some of the larger Jeanneau's and would assume other brands have this option. A possible option and way to get some more water.

Fuel on the other hand, Paulo did not say, nor do I know the capacity off the top of my head of the Auzuree. I have a 7 gal, or about 25L tank in my 85 Jeanneau. For where I am, barely enough fuel. 15-20gals, or about 80-100L would be better or minimum. I sail in the US in Pugetsound up to the BC area of Canada. While we do not want to, depending upon the wind, tide to deal with, we motor more than many of us want to. Otherwise, you could be going against a 4-6 knot current. So where I might prefer to sail in less than say 5-7 knots of wind, with only a 5-7 hr window, tacking against the wind, then a really adverse current, one motors, or motor sails per say. If I was on a coast of Europe, NA or equal or in the med away from the entrance which I understand can get some current, then I could see a bit less fuel. Just saying, where you sail etc, fuel might be more of a concern than Paulo seems to be implying.

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The Azuree 33 has a diesel 96L tank , the Elan 350 75L, the Rm 1050 130L, the Oceanis 37 130 and the new jeanneau 130L. Again the RM comes with the bigger tank for its syze: better authonomy.

I have asked to the guys of Elan if they could add a 100L water tank on the bow of the 350 to do exactly what Marty is saying and no way!

Perhaps the guys from Azuree are more acomodating but I guess that it is dificult to have space for an extra tank in small boats.

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New boat

Dragonfly 32. I love and hate Dragonfly boats I Love the boats and I hate the price . The boats are awesome, very well built, solid and with a very good quality interior with a smart design. About the price, better not to talk about it...I guess that there are some lucky bastards that can get them

They say about this one:

The floats are designed even bigger – compared to our previous design – which makes the boat more powerful and fast. It will undoubtedly be the fastest boat in our fleet.

Jesus, faster than this one?:

YouTube - Dragonfly Trimarans by Quorning Boats of Denmark

They also say:

The Dragonfly 32 offers fun and safe family sailing – and, has potential for serious racing and safe fast sailing at the same time.
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Like the other Dragonfly models, the new Dragonfly 32 will appear in two versions – one with a shorter rig and one in a more powerful version with a taller rig. The Dragonfly 32 will be offered standard with a 20 Hp outboard – optional is a 2-cylinder inboard diesel or electric drive. As standard, the boat is equipped with a tiller, but the cockpit has been designed and developed for wheel steering as well.

The boat will offer full standing headroom of 1.95 m in the main cabin – 1.87m in the toilet section.














By the way if someone down there is thinking in having one, there is a 2008 35ft on the Virgin Islands at a very interesting price. If you think it is expensive it is because you don't know how much cost a new one

View Boat Photos - YachtWorld.com

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I LOVE that boat Paulo!
Thanks for posting.
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The Azuree 33 has a diesel 96L tank , the Elan 350 75L, the Rm 1050 130L, the Oceanis 37 130 and the new jeanneau 130L. Again the RM comes with the bigger tank for its syze: better authonomy.

I have asked to the guys of Elan if they could add a 100L water tank on the bow of the 350 to do exactly what Marty is saying and no way!

Perhaps the guys from Azuree are more acomodating but I guess that it is dificult to have space for an extra tank in small boats.

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Hello Paulo, I think it is possible to put a soft water tank in the hanging locker of the Azuree 33. Anyway I will make a test of the boat around the end of May.
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Hello Paulo, I think it is possible to put a soft water tank in the hanging locker of the Azuree 33. Anyway I will make a test of the boat around the end of May.
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Yus, you can put a soft water tank anywhere but a hanging locker?

Keep us posted and if you can test sail also this one:

Photo boat ref. 20598

Probably they will take the price a bit down, if it is not sold first

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My boat has a soft tank, but it is in a locker under a seat in the saloon. Many different sizes are made by Plastimo. This would be a good option. Then again, not personally knowing the floor plan, the hanging locker might be a good place for plumbing routing etc......can not rule out the ease of plumbing etc in the equation too.

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