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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#3,505 · (Edited)
Ice 62

One of the things that seem to differentiate Italian millionaires from other millionaires is that they have a passion for fast sailing yachts. That makes them my preferred millionaires:D

Have a look at the insolent beauty of the new Ice 62, a Felci design. It's a carbon light and strong boat (only 14 000kg) and that reduced weight has not only to do with the high tech hull but also with a very modern lifting torpedo keel that when down gives it a 4m draft maximizing the effect of the ballast. That draft makes possible a relatively ballast (3 500kg) for the same generated RM that would require a much bigger one for a reasonable cruising draft.







 
#3,508 · (Edited)
Re: Ice 62

One of the things that seem to differentiate Italian millionaires from other millionaires is that they have a passion for fast sailing yachts. That makes them my preferred millionaires:D

Have a look at the insolent beauty of the new Ice 62, a Felci design. It's a carbon light and strong boat (only 14 000kg) and that reduced weight has not only to do with the high tech hull but also with a very modern lifting torpedo keel that when down gives it a 4m draft maximizing the effect of the ballast. That draft makes possible a relatively ballast (3 500kg) for the same generated RM that would require a much bigger one for a reasonable cruising draft.







What is the website to see this model in detail? I tried to make a Google search, but i couldn't find out.
 
#3,506 ·
Vendee Globe

And Jean Pierre Dick managed to bring back the boat home without a keel (the last 2500nm) and has welcomed has a winner. Big crowd saluting a great sailor and a great feat.


Les temps forts de l'arrivée de Jean-Pierre Dick por VendeeGlobeTV

The Vendée Globe welcome afforded to fourth placed Jean-Pierre Dick by a huge and passionate crowd was one worthy of a race winner.... The skipper who is originally from Nice and only really took to the IMOCA class ten years ago left Les Sables d'Olonne 88 days ago as one of the favorites and returned one of the outstanding heroes.

Dick took disappointments in his stride but they took their toll on his overall performance.

First, he recalled, he lost a key small gennaker in the water - one which would have been his reaching workhorse in the South which forced him to re-think his strategy at times. Then he struggled with a jammed halyard hook which left him unable to set the optimum headsail for some time. He eventually climbed the mast of Virbac-Paprec 3 several times to free it but lost more miles. His problems were capped when he lost his keel on the evening of 21st Janaury.

And so his fourth place reflects the incredible tenacity of JP Dick. He concluded with a Chinese proverb:

"The goal is not in the goal but in the pathway."
 
#4,426 ·
Re: RC 44 downwid

Not properly a downwind boat the RC 44...but with lot's of wind the boat can go faster...and a bit like a submarine:D

My son sails 29er in GKSS, the club that runs many of the big competitions in Marstrand, and GKSS was somehow involved in the RC44 tour visiting in june. They invite youngsters to join for one race in every stop over so the GKSS (Gothenbourg Royal Sailing Club) 29er team got the offer. Joel, my son, got the place in Synergi from Russia, with Ed Baird as tactician, and got to grind up the main before the start and sit at the back of the boat for a complete race. What an experience:hothead
 
#3,514 · (Edited)
Dragonfly 32



Hi, long time without posting, welcome back:)

Yes it has been posted but that's a great video. I saw the Dragonfly 32 at Dusseldorf: What a great boat.

It has one of the clever interiors I have seen on a sailboat. The dealer saw me looking around and he guessed rightly that I was looking for the refrigerator and he said to me: "Looking for the refrigerator? See if you can find it".....and the truth is that I couldn't. Well it is hidden under the rug:D (literally). It is on the floor and it is BIG!!

Also the stairs slides effortlessly from one side to another, given passage to the back cabin or allowing space to work on the galley.

This is the best Dragonfly ever the one where they summarized all their vast experience doing fast performance cruisers.

I was very impressed, not my wife that said: "For that price you can have a real cruising boat":rolleyes:

The boat is like a toy, a fascinating one and a toy that can be used for cruising too. Big men's toy and an expensive one but one that I would love to have here for the winter days and short distance cruising.

http://www.trimarans.com/media/62099/df32 multihullsworld_df32test_july12.pdf



Regards

Paulo
 
#3,513 · (Edited)
Chinese cruisers



Nice of you to have tried. Most did no want to risk a guess:D. No, it it is quite the opposite. The Xc yachts are very expensive top of the range boats this one is a basic cheap boat:

It is made by a big factory, it is a recent boat and it has between 45 and 50ft. What the hell is this?

















a HINT: they really need to hire a top interior designer and a very good NA would help too but I guess that you can see that:D
I guess that pillows and jar on the saloon would give a good hint but it seems that nobody noticed:

This is a CHINESE yacht. Till know they have been made smaller ones but know here they are, making big ones. This is a Farnova 48 and they have also a 52ft.

Farnova Yachts



But they are not the only ones there are even more interesting boats like the Hansheng Sealiner 46:



Bad quality you say? Well, they are the ones that make Passport and Outbound yachts:D

Who are these guys:

Founded in 1984 as Xiamen Fiberglass Boat Yard, Xiamen Hansheng Yacht Building Co.,Ltd. ... With more than 600 employees, 20 percent of whom are engineers and technicians, the factory has its main site covering an area of 40,000 square meters....

Yacht Building Department

We specialize in the manufacture of offshore sailing cruisers, motor yachts, racing boats. We are building completed yachts for Stevens Custom Yachts, Passport Yachts and Outbound Yachts. ..

Due to the high percentage of engineers and technicians, we are able to handle the complex systems of propulsion, plumbing and electrical associated with luxury yachts. ..

"Honesty, Creativity and Fine Workmanship" are our ideals. Our aim is to deliver the best and continue to improve, in line with international practice and to keep in step with the competition worldwide. We are sincerely looking for dealers and agencies all over the world.

So watch out if you buy an "American" top bluewater boat you are probably buying a Chinese boat and I do not mean only Outbound and Passport. For now the European Industry and in a lesser extent the American one is resisting but this guys are rely a menace and I would not be surprised if in 10 years we would have European brands building in China.

http://www.hanshengyacht.com/en/product.aspx

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,516 ·
Nothing..but I don't know if there is something to know about. Chinese seem to be much more into sailing than the Japanese. Remember they even had a boat on the last VOR and on the Mini class you have also a Chinois.

Japanese seem to me more on Motorboats and engines. I could not find on Japan boating Industry association a single sailboat builder.

Japan Boating Industry Association | Official WebSite | Full Members List

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,518 · (Edited)
Boy would I love to have that Code 8 here in the great Columbia Gorge to race in the Double Damned race. 42 mile race all down wind against 3 knots of river current. Winds on most race days 20 gusting over 40 and nothing to have consistent 30 plus knots and 6 foot standing waves. HRYC is the club we sail under here in my town of Hood River Oregon USA a very famous windsurfing area. I have raced at 50 knots wind, totally different than 50 knots on open ocean, the river is much more fun.

I think that code 8 would more than do the job.

Hope this link works, if not youtube HRYC Double Damned 2011 VID



Cheers
 
#3,519 ·
Vendee Globe

That is one of the things that makes this race special: The Public

Look how they have received the 5th, Jean Le Cam that finally finishes one Vendee Globe:


Jean Le Cam (SynerCiel) finish - Part 2 por VendeeGlobeTV

I will bet that the last, Alessandro, will have as many people waiting for him as Jean. On this race winning is tops, as in any other race, but just finish it is already great and spectators understand and appreciate that.
 
#3,521 ·
While we were away we ran into these guys fitting out this boat before heading down to Melbourne for the start of the Melbourne - Osaka two handed.



The Boat | Funnelweb

Mind you, no matter what they say .... in a pigs eye is this my idea of a good cruising boat.
 
#3,522 · (Edited)
And that make sense. You are 90% of the time in your boat at anchor, these guys seem to be 90% of their time in the boat sailing and some of that time racing. It would be expected that what fits your bill is not what fits their's. Let's accept what they say and that for them this is a surprisingly good cruising boat.

It is a rare thing when a person can say, " if I was building another boat today I would build funnelweb all over again". She represents the culmination of twenty years of experience gained from living on, building and generally messing about in boats.

Working closely with Robert Hick, who is the designer and builder, we were able to launch a boat that has proven to be fast, responsive and a safe passage maker.

After having completed 26,000 miles she is currently being totally refitted in readiness for her next big adventure, the Melbourne to Osaka and Transpac races.

With five watertight bulkheads, and six water ballast tanks, her interior is small by comparison to other fifteen metre yachts but she is surprisingly comfortable for a crew of six.

Although a true racing boat she has also proven to be equally at home as a cruising boat on many of the return delivery trips from various races most notably on her return from Japan after the 2003 Melbourne to Osaka visiting many exotic pacific islands and giving her crew at the time some truly memorable experiences.


The Boat | Funnelweb

In fact I know a guy (a very experienced sailor) that is circumnavigating with the family (young kids) on an adapted 40class racer. He chose that boat because it is fast, safe, has lots of space and is affordable comparing with it has to offer. Off course this makes only sense because he is most of the time sailing. He is not the only one that is doing extensive cruising and circumnavigating on an adapted 40class racer.

It seems crazy to you that someone can say that this sailboat is an interesting cruising boat and I understand. In fact that has to do with the way one uses the boat. Even for me that sail 30 or 40% of the time I am in the boat (counting night time) that is a too extreme boat for me in what regards interior coziness but I have no doubt that sail a lot more time than me.

Some in this thread, like Eric, choose for cruising, boats that can be compared with that one (even if more cruising friendly) and they are not used for racing as that one is also used.

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,523 · (Edited)
New Salona 33:









the boat looks well even if the option of the two wheels seems pretty ridiculous on a 33ft boat but I guess that has to do with what part of the public want.

But this is a strange boat, I mean it is too close from the 35ft and I bet this boat as to do mainly with racing in handicap. It is possible that this boat is just a shortened 35ft. The Dimensions are much similar and only the Overall length is very different (10.40 to 9.99m).

In what regards water length the difference is very small (9.16 to 9.04m) the Beam is almost identical (3.36 to 3.35m) the same with weight (5300 to 4950kg) ballast (1200/1500 to 1100/1480) and sail area (69.50 to 69.50sqm).

The good news is that the boat is not as expensive. They announce a nice price for the first boats: 79.900 euros.

http://salonanordic.se/wp-content/uploads/Leaflet-Salona-33.pdf

...
 
#3,524 ·
Some of you are awaiting pictures and video's about our first experiences with the Pogo 12.50.
Please excuse me for the clicks, I didn't succeed to obtain embedded codes for this material :confused:.

Presentation:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/DlOGZGxXfS/DSC_0005.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/7-37mMI_ab/DSC_0002.JPG

Really flat bottom...
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/WyAHEkoYLQ/berging.JPG

Upwind, still nice & easy, but remember what Paulo teached us about wave drag. Believe me, he's right!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/Io90_OpxOA/SANY0428.MP4

So we much prefer this :D:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/akqGEfBQkM/DSC_0057.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/jFJiA575KT/spi.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/ISzi8-0XQS/mama (7).JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/W36Hurz50N/zog.JPG

Watch the changes of the apparent wind, that's why the NKE autopilot also provides a true wind mode.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/BXFvz4KpF_/SANY0457.MP4

Around 10 knots, no stress…
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/KaA8D-4r6t/SANY0455.MP4

Entering Dover (yes, we obtained permission ;)), just to show you the rigged inner forestay and staysail, just in case.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/y0-Z_jo1T7/SANY0520.MP4

Olympic pic in St. Catharine's.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/pMjwDt1jK4/boot (2).JPG

Sandwich hull + carbon mast + laminate solent + dyneema halyard + performant stopper = extreme rigidity => don't push it, or take the consequences :mad:.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/0eBVVKGfpe/SANY0437.MP4

And finally a small tribute to my beloved Club :).
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u5fdw9f6szdhosv/Fcx2amE7Nw/vlag.JPG

Kind regards,

Eric
 
#3,525 ·
Wonderful shots, Eric.... you must be pleased. Looks like a great ride!
 
#3,531 ·
Thanks.I am not familiar with that model. Here the ones that are used are nºs 13 and 14 (Winchard). I guess Erick uses nº 13 that is the one that I intend to mount. Just to be sure that is the right size;)

If I understand well the design the one you point will work well but it will not be as fast as any of the other two and we are talking about a removable stay that will only be mounted in bad weather.

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,534 ·
I guess you like to go faster than what you admit other wise you would have stick with the old Manson;)

I was not referring to boat speed but in easiness and time needed to tension the stay. when I will use it it will be blowing probably 25K so I want to minimize the time I will be at the bow. Fast in this case relates to that.

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,535 ·
Alphena One

Another trend on the European market seems to be the increase of high performance luxury day sailers. I guess that it make sense for someone that has only 3 weeks of holidays a year. He will charter on the nice cruising grounds on the summer and for the week-ends he has a smaller boat that will give pleasure to own, more pleasure to sail and that will cost a tiny fraction of what would cost a big cruising boat in maintenance. Smart move that is being reflected in the number of these boats available on the market.

One of the new boats exposed at Dusseldorf was the Alphena and I will not resist to tell you a funny story:

The boat was exposed at the It yachts near the beautiful It IY 13.98 (same dealer) and I had just finished to visit it with the shipyards owner when I saw the Alphena for the first time. I said to him: "Uau!, that's a Brenta?" He laughed and said to me: "Don't tell nobody but that's just a French copy":D

In fact having looked at the boat I have to admit it is a very nice one and not a copy, just the same type of boat: Classical/modern lines, narrow with a lot of ballast on a bulb and most of all beautiful. Have a look:

Alphena One | Alphena Yachts



 
#3,536 · (Edited)
LadyHawke 33

Not many small Cats on this thread. Let me post a nice one ;)

Cats as a cruising boat has two problems: prices on marinas and cost, I mean they are expensive. Many are also more about space than performance.

But some can offer space and performance even if for a price. Here we have an interesting one, made in Italy and designed by one of the best Cat designers: Erik Lerouge

The LadyHawke 33 is a very interesting coastal cruiser with good performance and a very interesting interior space. As almost all Cats with this size is a Class B boat even if I have no doubt that is a seaworthy boat regarding what he is designed to do. With 65sqm for 3500kg of weight and relativelly narrow hulls, this will be a fast cruiser.

This boat costs about the same as a 40ft cruiser monohull and can be an interesting option regarding cruising. Have a look:

LadyHawke 33 | Lady Hawke - Eng





















 
#3,537 · (Edited)
The pink racing boat

Who the hell races a pink boat? The girls, of course;)





The boat is the ex-Puma. The boat has been modified. The team is sponsored by SCA (SCA team) and it seems that they are for real. The one that is selecting the team is Magnus Olsson a Six-time VOR race veteran and they are already testing.

It seems that the ladies (professional sailors) interest for the project is huge and two groups were formed to select the best and given the names on the first group I guess that the boys are going to have competition (lots of solo sailors).

Some names: Sam Davies (Open60), Jeanne Gregoire (Figaro), Liz Wardley (VOR) and a lot of Girls from Match racing.

I hope the second group is as strong as this one;)

You can hear Sam Davies talking about the project and the see the first images of the Girls sailing fast:



 
#3,538 ·
Sig 60 and 45

I had posted here about the Sig 45, a Cat that I would love to own:





and now they are presenting the Sig 60. Well, for that one I would trade my house and would be living permanentely on a boat if someone would pay for maintenance and marina costs:D

Seriously, for the ones that have the money to afford it, what an wonderful boat:









 
#3,539 · (Edited)
AIS? / Vendee Globe

I have seen in a lot of posts many guys having what I think is an unfounded confidence on the AIS system.

Two collisions on the Vendee Globe and this close call make me very suspicious about AIS efficiency, specially with small fishing boats...and even with some cargos:rolleyes:

Alessandro (IT, Team Plastique):

I'm fine. I have between 20 and 25 knots.

Yesterday, I was really scared because of the cargo. I heard my radar, but I wasn't sure it was a boat, because the radar can ring for many reasons.

I tried several VHF calls until the last minute when I saw it coming out of the fog on my starboard side. We were on a collision course. The cargo was not the AIS system and still did not answer my VHF calls.

During a few moments I was ready for the impact. So I decided to luff to slow down my boat and I change my journey in order to let the cargo pass at the front of the bow. It was about 100 meters or less from my boat when it crossed me and even after their crossing they continued not to respond on the radio.

I was angry and anxious because my life was in danger. There was nobody in the cockpit and that explains why we see that many accidents on the water.


And they keep arriving and Public keep saluting then as if they were winners. Great spirit and a population that loves sailing.


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Even Bernard Stamm that was not racing anymore had a big welcome. Nice:)


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#3,540 · (Edited)
Bavaria cruiser 56

This one was also presented in Dusseldorf. I had not time to have a look at the inside but the hull looked good. Like the previous one, it is a Farr design.

If follows the recent tendency of a bigger freeboard to manage to have a cabin with a very moderate high, I mean over the deck because on the interior the height is just more than enough. The new Hanse works the same way and I have to say that in big boats like this one you don't feel the high freeboard and the boat looks much more elegant and less massif than the previous model.

On the cockpit the boat has some innovations, well not really new because they come from the Vision series, like the possibility to transform the cockpit in large beds (I like that;)).

I like also this boat being the only one in this class to have four winches in the cockpit, two for the main, two for the front sail.

The interior seems to follow the improvements in quality and design that where first shown on the Vision series. This boat seems to be a big improvement regarding the previous model.

The Dingy garage does not make sense. Who wants a dingy garage that needs the dingy to be deflated?: Rolleyes:



 
#3,541 · (Edited)
Some questions:

I guess you have a winchard tensioner. What is the model?

What kind of links you have between the sail and the stay? A traditional metal clip on system or a textile connection?

You have a reef on that jib?
I think this is a very good plan, Paulo. Your Comet 41 S also carries a lot of sail and even with a well designed roll-reefable foresail, there comes a moment when you just want a very strong and flat sail on an inner forestay that also brings the sailplan down and away from the bow.

But the system we have does not involve a quick release type of tensioner.
The textile (12 mm dyneema) inner forestay has a looped end that connects with a rope and tackle fitted on the bulkhead in the anchor/sail locker/crash box. This tackled rope comes back on the foredeck and first runs through a clutch (remote controlled from the cockpit with an thin line) to the piano, to be tensioned by the winch on the coachroof but without this enormous tension kept between the clutch on the foredeck and the piano in the cockpit.

Somewhat complicated to explain but quite straightforward to use. The main issue is: tackle + winch allow quite a lot of tension on the inner forestay, which I think is important when things get though.
I would be glad to take and post some pictures to make this more clear, but the whole set-up is now completely dismantled for winter storage :(.

So I hope the V&V video (posted earlier by Paulo) will help understanding how it works.
Fast-forward to the very end (presentation of the foredeck) and you will see the (temporary) forestay, the tensioning rope and the remote controlled clutches (the second one is used to give the same amount of tension to the bowsprit). Then just imagine all these lines coming back to the piano.
Pogo 12,50 : rapide, dans les grandes largeurs

Anyway, as soon as we expect strong and contrary winds, we rig the inner forestay and the staysail in its bag ready for use. Beforehand and preferably at port. Because whatever the configuration, it's always a heavy sail to bring forward and a hell of a job to rig the whole thing on a rocking foredeck :eek:.
But not permanently, because the inner forestay is a real pain in the (BEEP!) to tack the solent in normal conditions :hothead.

Our sail has regular metal clips, Paulo. Given the conditions within the staysail is used, I think this is the best solution.
Yes, the staysail has a reef. Although we never used it yet :), I think it would be a pity not to provide this when things go really bad. But having to go out there and reef this sail is one of my favorite nightmares :(.

Best regards,

Eric
 
#3,547 · (Edited)
But the system we have does not involve a quick release type of tensioner.
The textile (12 mm dyneema) inner forestay has a looped end that connects with a rope and tackle fitted on the bulkhead in the anchor/sail locker/crash box. This tackled rope comes back on the foredeck and first runs through a clutch (remote controlled from the cockpit with an thin line) to the piano, to be tensioned by the winch on the coachroof but without this enormous tension kept between the clutch on the foredeck and the piano in the cockpit.

Somewhat complicated to explain but quite straightforward to use. The main issue is: tackle + winch allow quite a lot of tension on the inner forestay, which I think is important when things get though.

... you will see the (temporary) forestay, the tensioning rope and the remote controlled clutches (the second one is used to give the same amount of tension to the bowsprit). Then just imagine all these lines coming back to the piano.
..
Very curious system. I never had seen anything similar.





I see the clutch, the one with a blue line that goes to a little hole and then to the tackle (inside the anchor locker). But I see also a white line coming out of the hole. What it is for?

I see also a plastic handle and a loop on the stay. I thought that it was a direct system connection, from the blue line to the stay, but then what is that blue loop on the stay and the handle what role plays in the system?



Our sail has regular metal clips, Paulo. Given the conditions within the staysail is used, I think this is the best solution.
Yes, no doubt a clip is the best system but I asked if they were made of metal because Comar sailmaker that is specialized in high tech sails and solutions was very adamant about not using metal clips on a textile stay. I had saw some textile clips but at very high prices (about 50 euros each) so I am in the process of making them for my sail. I have alredy the wood buttons that come from China:D and I am in the phase of buyng 6mm dyneema rope to do the lops. Something like this:



Can you talk with the guys from Pogo and their sailmaker to confirm what Comar sailmaker had said to me regarding metal clips to be inappropriate for a textile stay?

Yes, the staysail has a reef. Although we never used it yet :), I think it would be a pity not to provide this when things go really bad. But having to go out there and reef this sail is one of my favorite nightmares :(.
Regarding your favorite nightmare I have good news to you:). Have a look:



You can pull the reefing line from the cockpit with that system.

Anyway, as soon as we expect strong and contrary winds, we rig the inner forestay and the staysail in its bag ready for use. Beforehand and preferably at port. Because whatever the configuration, it's always a heavy sail to bring forward and a hell of a job to rig the whole thing on a rocking foredeck :eek:.
But not permanently, because the inner forestay is a real pain in the (BEEP!) to tack the solent in normal conditions :hothead.
Yes that is the same problem in what regards rigging. Like in your boat my removable stay is pretty forward and it would make difficult tacking.

I plan to have it permanently mounted if I went out already with strong winds and in that case that is the sail I am going to hoist. If strong winds are a possibility I plan to have the sail already on deck, forward, attached to the life lines on a long bag similar to the one you have. Only if strong winds appear I will go forward, mount the stay and clip the sail in it. I guess it would gave some work but with the boat sailing with a reefed main that should not be very hard.

I guess that Jib without the reef would be good for 30/35 K wind. In fact the boat works very well with only that sail and just a bit of main or no main at all. I guess that with the reefed staysail as only sail the boat would be good for 40/45 winds. More than that I would have to put the storm sail. That should not come as a surprise and in that case I will have the Jib mounted in the stay and on the lifelines inside the long bag, ready to clip, the storm sail.

Even so it would be more difficult than cliping the jib because I would have to put the Jib on the forward sail locker and only then I would be able to clip the storm sail. I don't want to think what would be like if I had not a sail locker just in the right place. It would be very difficult to bring that big sail (the jib) to the boat interior, at least alone.

I guess this year I am going to try that system a lot since I will be sailing the Cyclades in July and August and that means a lot of days with wind over B7.

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,544 · (Edited)
Solo sailing

Some fantastic piece of video posted by Stamm recently where he appears to be an amateur. of course it is not the case, he is one of the best, just look at this video from an old 2001 Atlantic transat record:



What happened on this video was a problem with the autopilot and one, that he know now, persisted all race. It is quite amazing that with a fundamental piece of material working with problems he would have had the confidence to drive the boat as hard as he had done (he lead the race and was a long time fighting for the lead).

This happened on the first days of the race, offshore Portugal and he explains what happened:

with the running minutes on the movie:

1:00

Bernard is running downwind at 25 knots boatspeed under main and small spinnaker. There is a problem with his starboard hydrogenerator and he starts the cockpit video recorder to show him going over the back of the boat to disconnect it.

1:18

At this moment, the autopilot unexpectedly switches off and the boat accidentally gybes, putting the spinnaker on the wrong side, pinning the boom against the runner and the boat lays flat in the water and stops. "Lucky I didn't break anything," says Bernard. "That was a miracle."

1:46

He goes to release the runner, but remembers that he has used the runner tail temporarily to lash on the hydrogenerator he'd been working on, so he has to climb up to untie it first. Meanwhile, you can hear the autopilot off-course alarm going off.

3:18

Bernard manages to ease the backstay. The sail stacked outboard is his genoa, which was fastened on, but not very tightly. The boat begins to move and you see Bernard steering, while also trying to operate the canting keel, which is on the wrong side. You hear the motor for that beginning at 4:05 and gradually the boat begins to come upright and tear off again downwind.

05:56

Another brief accidental gybe. This happened "three or four times" that afternoon.

07:05

Bernard says he's wondering here what's going on. "It was about an hour before I could stabilise the pilot enough to find a way to get it to steer while I got on the phone to the shore team to tell them we had a real problem we needed to sort out or I would not get past Portugal," he explains.

His autopilot problems persisted all the way round the world. "We solved a lot of problems, but we never got the real one. There must have been a bug," he says.

Accidental gybe - laid flat | Yachting World


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#3,546 ·
Re: Solo sailing

Some fantastic piece of video posted by Stamm recently where he appears to be an amateur. of course it is not the case, he is one of the best, just look at this video from an old 2001 Atlantic transat record:



What happened on this video was a problem with the autopilot and one, that he know now, persisted all race. It is quite amazing that with a fundamental piece of material working with problems he would have had the confidence to drive the boat as hard as he had done (he lead the race and was a long time fighting for the lead).

This happened on the first days of the race, offshore Portugal and he explains what happened:

with the running minutes on the movie:

1:00

Bernard is running downwind at 25 knots boatspeed under main and small spinnaker. There is a problem with his starboard hydrogenerator and he starts the cockpit video recorder to show him going over the back of the boat to disconnect it.

1:18

At this moment, the autopilot unexpectedly switches off and the boat accidentally gybes, putting the spinnaker on the wrong side, pinning the boom against the runner and the boat lays flat in the water and stops. "Lucky I didn't break anything," says Bernard. "That was a miracle."

1:46

He goes to release the runner, but remembers that he has used the runner tail temporarily to lash on the hydrogenerator he'd been working on, so he has to climb up to untie it first. Meanwhile, you can hear the autopilot off-course alarm going off.

3:18

Bernard manages to ease the backstay. The sail stacked outboard is his genoa, which was fastened on, but not very tightly. The boat begins to move and you see Bernard steering, while also trying to operate the canting keel, which is on the wrong side. You hear the motor for that beginning at 4:05 and gradually the boat begins to come upright and tear off again downwind.

05:56

Another brief accidental gybe. This happened "three or four times" that afternoon.

07:05

Bernard says he's wondering here what's going on. "It was about an hour before I could stabilise the pilot enough to find a way to get it to steer while I got on the phone to the shore team to tell them we had a real problem we needed to sort out or I would not get past Portugal," he explains.

His autopilot problems persisted all the way round the world. "We solved a lot of problems, but we never got the real one. There must have been a bug," he says.

Accidental gybe - laid flat | Yachting World


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Great video on Bernard, I was impressed with his sailing ability, the ability to comprehend and all most instantly make corrections to a very serious problem. I know these guys are professional and they are all great sailors and great athletes. Watching the video you can see Bernard observing everything around him as he works, trying to put all that has happened into a book in his mind and sorting it all out in near perfect order.

The quick thinking and how Bernard went about fixing a serious problem shows most likely that he had thought often of things that can go wrong. One does not have to think of that exact situation before it happens to be able to solve the problem but a series of smaller problems fixed or thought deeply about that related to this type of situation.

As serious sailors and cruisers I hope we all are spending the time to go over situations that could be serious to you and your crew. Always be thinking, observing, spend time to " WHAT IF?"

Cheers

Steve
 
#3,548 ·
Smart to keep the tensioner on deck as opposed to another line in the mast. I like the simplicity and design. I imagine there is a pully system under the deck to distribute the pressure of the tensioner. ??

The bigger issue I see with this setup on the pogo is the sheets and the more complex system without the foresail sheet tracks. Not sure you can rig 2 lines thru these.

If there enough slack on the tensioner to lash the storm "étai" to the mast leaving room for the Genoa or do you need to drop it entirely? If you could lash it to the mast you could then set up the sheets and clip the sail from the mast (stable), and then just pull it forward off the tensioner and raise..?
 
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