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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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Sydney-Hobart

Nobody has anything to say? Nobody following this one?

That's true that the tracker is a stone age thing that does not even have a weather prevision or a play back button but this seems to be the more interesting Sydney-Hobart in years with some very curious results being probably the more unexpected the outstanding results of the two VOR70 towards much bigger boats leaving behind several older designed Maxi 100ft racing yachts. Among the two VOR 70, the Juan Kouyoumdjian Giacamo (ex- Grupama) is making a great race fighting head to head with the favorite 30ft bigger Wild Oats.

Black Jack (ex-Telefonica), also a JK designed boat, is not faraway and ahead of other two Maxi 100ft favorites, the Ragamuffin 100 (designed by Greg Elliott in 1989 and extensively modified in 2004 when it was lengthened to 98ft and again in 2009, lengthened this time to 100ft) and the old Skandia, now re-baptized Wild Thing (designed by Don Jones in 2003).

Wild thing is head to head with the new designed Botin Beau Gest and even if the Botin is 20ft shorter many, including me, would expect a better performance, one not inferior of the two VOR 70. Maybe the boat is just too new and not yet completely sorted out.

All the other boats are well behind being the first of them the brand new Ichi Ban, a Carkeek 60 (Carkeek design).

For now the man that rules is Juan Kouyoumdjian:D whose designs are not only leading the race, but that has between the four first three of them;)
 
#5,543 ·
Re: Sydney-Hobart

Nobody has anything to say? Nobody following this one?

That's true that the tracker is a stone age thing that does not even have a weather prevision or a play back button but this seems to be the more interesting Sydney-Hobart in years with some very curious results being probably the more unexpected the outstanding results of the two VOR70 towards much bigger boats leaving behind several older designed Maxi 100ft racing yachts. Among the two VOR 70, the Juan Kouyoumdjian Giacamo (ex- Grupama) is making a great race fighting head to head with the favorite 30ft bigger Wild Oats.

Black Jack (ex-Telefonica), also a JK designed boat, is not faraway and ahead of other two Maxi 100ft favorites, the Ragamuffin 100 (designed by Greg Elliott in 1989 and extensively modified in 2004 when it was lengthened to 98ft and again in 2009, lengthened this time to 100ft) and the old Skandia, now re-baptized Wild Thing (designed by Don Jones in 2003).

Wild thing is head to head with the new designed Botin Beau Gest and even if the Botin is 20ft shorter many, including me, would expect a better performance, one not inferior of the two VOR 70. Maybe the boat is just too new and not yet completely sorted out.

All the other boats are well behind being the first of them the brand new Ichi Ban, a Carkeek 60 (Carkeek design).

For now the man that rules is Juan Kouyoumdjian:D whose designs are not only leading the race, but that has between the four first three of them;)
I was following the race at the start, and watched the initial videos on the McConaghy FB site. But, as you say, it is difficult to get very excited about this race due to the antique coverage. There really is no good reason that cameras could not be mounted on all the IRC 0 boats, at least. But since this is still a largely "amateur" event (despite all the top boats being professionally crewed), there's no pressure from sponsors for better media coverage.

In my earlier remarks about this race, I had my money on the VO 70's, after seeing how quick Black Jack was in the SOLAS Regatta, relative to Wild Oats and Loyal. And at the start, on the fetch to the first turning mark, you could see Giacomo blasting along on the starboard side of the course, easily keeping pace with the Maxis and Mini-Maxis. Beau Geste rounded second, behind WO, with Black Jack in fourth behind Loyal.

And I certainly have to agree with you, Paulo, that the decision to award the VO One Design contract to Farr, after JuanK boats have dominated that race (not to mention having proved execeedingly durable), was a questionable decision. Unless, of course, the goals was to slow the VO boats down and make sure they all finish every leg. But in that case, why not buy some Clipper 70s? :D
 
#5,544 ·
The first Whitbread Round the World 1973/4

Sure, it was a long time ago and the video is available on the NET but those videos had a very low quality and were a pain to watch. Not anymore:). This one was remastered on HD.

This is the race that was largely dominated by Great Britain II and Chay Blyth that won three of the four legs in real time, losing overboard a crew member on the process.

Two other man were lost on other boats overboard. Is good to remember that when he talk about the danger of racing on modern VOR (that go at more than two times the speed of these old shoes) like if it was more dangerous now than then.

Eric Tabarly also entered this one but with bad luck chasing him: He broke the mast twice in two different legs, won another one and beat the world's sailing 24 hour absolute record.

The race now in HD:

 
#5,554 ·
Re: The first Whitbread Round the World 1973/4

Sure, it was a long time ago and the video is available on the NET but those videos had a very low quality and were a pain to watch. Not anymore:). This one was remastered on HD.

This is the race that was largely dominated by Great Britain II and Chay Blyth that won three of the four legs in real time, losing overboard a crew member on the process.

Two other man were lost on other boats overboard. Is good to remember that when he talk about the danger of racing on modern VOR (that go at more than two times the speed of these old shoes) like if it was more dangerous now than then.

Eric Tabarly also entered this one but with bad luck chasing him: He broke the mast twice in two different legs, won another one and beat the world's sailing 24 hour absolute record.

The race now in HD:
Those were certainly different times from today, even though not really so long ago. Perhaps one of the last times you had beer and cigarettes as staple provisions. :D

Not to take away from how difficult it is to race the current generation of high performance VOR boats around the world, but I think everyone would agree that the men and women who competed in those early Whitbread races were made of tough stuff. And for the last couple of VORs the fleet hasn't spent much time in the Southern Ocean, while the mandatory ice gates have reduced the risk of growlers. Even in those days, however, it was crazy to go down to 60S and demonstrates, to me, a shocking lack of good judgement in putting the crews at such risk (not to mention that nobody wore tethers or PFDs in those days).

Anyway, thanks very much for posting this wonderful bit of history for us. Watching it made me want to go ocean racing right away. :)
 
#5,547 ·
Well, despite our speculation, it's turning out to be a battle of the 100 footers after all, with WO, Loyal and Ragamuffin opening up a pretty substantial lead over the VO70s, Beau Geste, Wild Thing, Ichi Ban, et al.

Don't think the big breeze will arrive soon enough to allow Giacomo and Black Jack to catch up, but it could be enough to allow Loyal to squeeze by WO in the home stretch, unless it's on the nose and an upwind slog-fest. And once they're in the Derwent and it goes light, WO will have the advantage.

Veloce (Elliott 44CR) is having a great race so far and certainly made some improvements somewhere since last year, when they finished 36th overall. But I wouldn't count out Midnight Rambler (Ker 40) yet. Not only have they won the overall before, they may have the most experienced crew in the race. This is where the excitement is, IMHO, not so much in the line honours battle.

Hope nobody gets in trouble when the approaching low pressure system arrives.
 
#5,552 ·
Carlo borlenghi

Since we have not decent images of the Sydney-Hobart lets look at some really beautiful ones. There are many ways of loving sailing, some sail, some design boats, some paint and some take photos and among these Carlo Borlenghi is one of the best and beauty comes out of his work.

Am interview in Italian. Be patient, just put the movie in the best definition, wait for the photos to show up and stop the image: If you like boats and sailing, you will love Carlo's work:

 
#5,553 ·
Re: Carlo borlenghi

Since we have not decent images of the Sydney-Hobart lets look at some really beautiful ones. There are many ways of loving sailing, some sail, some design boats, some paint and some take photos and among these Carlo Borlenghi is one of the best and beauty comes out of his work.

Am interview in Italian. Be patient, just put the movie in the best definition, wait for the photos to show up and stop the image: If you like boats and sailing, you will love Carlo's work:
Wow.

Tell me he doesn't live on Lake Garda. :)

Lovely house, incredible art work on the walls, beautiful wife, and amazing photographs.

Did I miss anything? ;)

Liked how they put the interviewer to work in the kitchen, stirring the pot. Thanks very much for sharing, Paulo.
 
#5,555 · (Edited)
Sydney-Hobart

Well, the wind come to the race, but too late for Loyal. The two leading boats are almost doing 20K. Right now Wild Oats have more wind but soon Loyal will be the fastest boat, but not in time to recover the 38nm that separates him from the leader.

For the victory in Handicap things are not decided yet: The leading boat is a slow one, an old Farr 43 (wild Rose) that is only in 60th overall. I hope that Brannew, a First 40 CR that is making a well of race can beat it in compensated since in real time it is 21 places ahead:rolleyes: I hate one slow boats won in handicap.
 
#5,556 ·
Re: Sydney-Hobart

Well, the wind come to the race, but too late for Loyal. The two leading boats are almost doing 20K. Right now Wild Oats have more wind but soon Loyal will be the fastest boat, but not in time to recover the 38nm that separates him from the leader.

For the victory in Handicap things are not decided yet: The leading boat is a slow one, an old Farr 43 (wild Rose) that is only in 60th overall. I hope that Brannew, a First 40 CR that is making a well of race can beat it in compensated since in real time it is 21 places ahead:rolleyes: I hate one slow boats won in handicap.
Nice little battle going on between the two VOR70s, with Black Jack leading Giacomo by .5 mile, and Beau Geste a few miles back of them.

Meanwhile, looks like the wheels fell off for Midnight Rambler, who were challenging with Veloce for the IRC lead not too long ago but have now disappeared down the standings. Wonder if they had some sail or gear failure.

Right now, the RP40 Chutzpah is leading Veloce by under an hour on corrected time, so this one looks like it will be a nail biter for sure. The skipper of Chutzpah has 31 Sydney Hobart races under his belt, and (so I learned this morning) sold his Hick 35 to the skipper who won the 1998 race. :D
 
#5,557 · (Edited)
Sydney-Hobart

And as expected Wild Oats won by the 7th time the Sydney-Hobart, a record that would be very hard to mach in the future. In my opinion, not only luck with the light winds but a masterful routing regarding wind and conditions, far better than the one on Loyal. A well deserved victory.



As usual the coverage is miserable and there are now movies, at least yet, to show the arrival, that seems it was at speed.

Regarding the compensated winner the leader is not anymore a slow boat but Chutzpah, a 2007 40ft cruiser-racer designed by Reichel/Pugh. They are 23th overall, a fantastic race for them overtaking with a cruiser-racer the racing ker 40 and being the first 40ft boat.

Regarding the smaller boats that were doing well and that I mentioned on a previous post, the Rodgers 46 is 20th, the Elliot 44Cr 19th, the Ker 46 13th (great race and overtaking a lot of boats on the stronger conditions) the ker 40 31th, the Humphreis 42 26th, the DK 43 33th, the 4 First 45 are now in 39th, 42th, 44th and 60th, being all overtaken by the smaller First 40 Brannew (37th) that is making a great race but as all "heavy" boats is losing distance on these conditions that favors lighter downwind rockets.

On the downwind conditions with stronger winds many smaller light boats overtook the bigger heavier boats (the First 45 for example).

For instance, the Bakewell-White 39 is 40th, the MDB41 is 46th another First 40 is 47th a A40 is 48th, three sydney 38 are 54th, 58th and 65th, the Salona 44 is 60th, another First 40 is 62th.

If you think these are bad results for performance cruisers of this size, think again, most are ahead or in the middle of the brand new clipper 70 racing boats, that I have to say, for a brand new 70ft racing boat, are pretty slow:rolleyes:

Edtt: Sorry Pelicano, some repetition here but I did not see your post before posting this one.
 
#5,559 ·
Re: Sydney-Hobart

Regarding the compensated winner the leader is not anymore a slow boat but Chutzpah, a 2007 40ft cruiser-racer designed by Reichel/Pugh. They are 23th overall, a fantastic race for them overtaking with a cruiser-racer the racing ker 40 and being the first 40ft boat.
Paulo - I think Chutzpah has more in common with the Ker 40 than with typical cruiser-racers. In other words, it's very similar to the RP 45 though perhaps more "optimized" for IRC, which means there's some kind of "accommodations" below deck. But the hull design is full-on racer.







And compare to the RP IRC 45s like Sjambok, Criminal Mischief and Aquila (below):







In other words, the RP 40 and Ker 40 are definitely race boats first, and "cruisers" a far second. My kind of boats. :D
 
#5,558 · (Edited)
Rm 890

As I expected the RM 890 was a success among cruisers showing that this is the type of boat that many want and that just some have the money to buy:D

On the Nautic de Paris they receive orders for 14 new boats, the best result of any RM on a single boat show.







If you want to try this one, two charting companies will have it for the summer (all on the France Atlantic Coast) and it seems that they have already almost all slots booked for the Summer. If you are interested better hurry. These are the two companies: Alternative Sailing (Trinité sur Mer) and at Bretagne Yachting (Lorient).

It seems that, contrary to most other brands, there is no crisis for RM. It is not only this one that is selling well: the new RM 1060 has sold in 3 years 50 boats and the even more recent RM 1260 (last year elected as European family cruiser) has sold 30 boats.

About 100 boats in 3 years for what used to be a very small shipyard shows that the Marc Lombard design and vision in what regards a voyage boat has a large acceptance among cruisers, as the material the boats are built (marine plywood and epoxy).

For the ones that don't have the money or want to build their own boat I remember that this concept was created by Marc Lombard even before RM started to produce his designs and that he was for sell inexpensive plans of boatsnot very different from these ones, boats that are suited for amateur boat building and that are not difficult to execute. Many have been built, some even on other continents, namely in America (Canada).

Marc Totain

Randonneur 980

Randonneur 1200

Run 45
 
#5,560 · (Edited)
Cruising or racing

I cannot see well the differences on the hulls on those pictures but for what I can tell Chutzpah has a more forgiving hull for going downwind fast and that is essential on an offshore race with heavy seas: it increases your confidence in the boat and allows you to go faster. Aquila has a hull much more Ker style, one designed to take heel taking all advantage of a big B/D ratio and huge draft, but more tricky to sail downwind, not necessarily slower, even faster in perfect conditions.

You are right regarding Chutzpah since the boat has really a tiny cabin but it is not the hull that defines the difference between a very fast cruiser-racer like the Sydney 43GTS and a top offshore racer but the maximization of factors.

Factors like less weight that are obtained with an almost non existent interior and a bigger draft, space in the cockpit for racing maneuvers with the diminution of the cabin that also has importance in what regards minimum windage and in what regards maneuvers over the cabin.

But one thing is a very fast cruiser racer thought to be sailed with a crew and a good performance cruiser that can be raced but it is also easy to be sailed fast solo. That's here that the different hull designs that are used in racing can make a difference. Some, like the ones used by Ker or Mills, mostly for crewed racing don't give forgiving sailboats or boats easily exploited solo.

If you can remember it was the only objection that I had made to the new C&C Redline 41: Great as a cruiser-racer but that I doubt it had the characteristics to be very good performance cruiser, meaning that it would not be a boat easy to sail solo or with a reduced crew.

Is in this regard that the French designers normally do better, not meaning that the boats are faster but that are boats more polyvalent, being able to be fast with a crew, fast solo racing or easy enough to cruise with the family, even going fast. That is also to do with the market for whom they work, one where solo or short crew racing has not only a big importance but also a growing one.

Regards

Paulo
 
#5,561 · (Edited)
Malango 880

We have already talked about this boat, that is one of the nominated for this year's European boat of the year contest. It was tested recently by Yacht.de and they have posted some nice photos, so let's have a new and better look since this is all but an ordinary boat: A unique one I would say:)







Till now, just a nice boat with a swing keel but what makes the Malango series unique is this:





Yes this is a 29ft cruiser that carries its own dingy, not a big one but good enough for two. You know, if you like to sail fast and have a nice looking boat the worst thing you can do is to tow a dingy or have it over the deck, specially on a small boat so what choices do we have?:

To passing half the time filling up the dingy...or having a Malango and what is really extraordinary is that the boat still has two cabins, a head, a good storage space and a galley. Ok the galley does not have a freezer and that seems to have the only downside for a 29ft boat. I have saw a portable freezer under the table on some photos but that seems not o be a good idea. Maybe with some skill we could find one even if the only place seems to be on the head:D or adjacent to it.









The cockpit is big and offers a good support to everybody with a practical rigging even if a box could be provided to enclose the liferaft. It does not seem to me a good idea to use the liferaft as a support when the boat is heeled but it is just in the right position for it:







and the best thing is that this is a fast and enjoyable boat to sail, one of a kind;)
Did I said that the boat was unsinkable and certifiable as class A boat?

some great photos:

http://www.idbmarine.com/fr/galerie_idbmarine.php



 
#5,562 ·
Sydney- Hobart and gale winds

The wind that was absent two days ago arrived in full force now with some nasty results:

"Bill Wild's Queensland Reichel/Pugh 55 Wedgetail was dismasted at about 0400 south of Tasman Island.... There have been strong gusts at Tasman through the night, eight knots gusting to more than 30 and building now to a steady 23 knots but gusting to 45.

James Cameron's 35 foot NSW yacht Luna Sea from Drummoyne lost its rudder at about the same time 53 nautical miles east of Flinders.

The leading British Clipper 70 Henri Lloyd (Eric Holden) lost its rudder bearing east of Cape Barren Island at 2211 last night and has retired, heading for Hobart:..."This is due to a damaged rudder bearing which is allowing excessive movement of the rudder shaft. The skipper is making a seaman-like decision to retire and motor sail into the comparatively calmer waters off Flinders Island before altering course for Hobart"....

The Victorian yacht Rush is sailing to Coles Bay where an ambulance will be waiting for injured crew member Ben Renshaw, who broke a leg while the boat was sailing south of Freycinet Peninsula on the Tasmanian east coast....Rush has not retired from the race at this stage...

Meanwhile, Tony Kirby's brand new Ker 46 Patrice and James Clayton's Sigma 41 Black Adder are the latest yachts to retire from the Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race as the fleet is buffeted by gale force conditions that have battered the fleet along the Tasmanian coast.

Patrice suffered minor hull damage east of Tasman Island around 7.40am this morning and is motoring back to Orford, which is a considerable distance north of Tasman....

... Black Adder, which was last on line and has headed to Eden with no reason given, become the eighth and ninth retirements from the original fleet of 94.
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Conditions at sea are still very difficult because of frequent gusts that are double the strength of an already fresh prevailing breeze. It is expected to abate during the day. "


News - Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race 2013
 
#5,565 · (Edited)
CNB yachts

I haven't heard of a Bordeaux 60, but just came across this one showing construction of one.

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Yes I believe you are right. CNB is the top brand from the Benetau group and perhaps I don't find in them the flair of the Italian big yachts and it seems that the sailors that want practicality as main concern and have the money to buy them prefer Oysters. Fact is that in the luxury segment the choice is huge and CNB is just in the middle waters regarding design criteria.

But I do agree they are beautiful boats and that should be here, so thanks for posting.

Some two more: One of the more popular, the CNB 76 and one of the custom line, the CNB 100 that is in fact an one off. They have a line of production yachts, with a 60 and the 76 but also build custom boats and that is an important part of their work.

Both the production boats are designed by Philippe Briand (that designs also for instance the First 45 and 50) and show the elegance he puts in his designs. The Custom 100ft is a Luca Brenta design and I guess you can understand what I mean by flair;)

The 76:



The custom 100:



THE CNB SHIPYARD - CNB Yachts

Regards

Paulo
 
#5,566 · (Edited)
Adventure 40

Have you seen the "Adventure 40" project on morganscloud.com?

I do not have enough posts to post links or images, but they have now found a designer for it, and the first sketch is out. You can see it on morganscloud.

Do you have any thoughts about this project?
A pretty banal boat, I don't understand why they need to find a designer for it. There are many similar inexpensive designs around that could be adapted for a much smaller cost.

More then 10 years ago when I knew a lot less about design I modified an existent design to suit what I then considered my needs, that were much similar in what regards the sailing program with the ones that boat is pointed too.

The designer of the boat I had modified accepted by a small amount of money to modify his old existent design (an inexpensive one) to suit my (more modern) criteria. I give up since having learned more about boat design, I understood I would be better served by a more modern design that served the same purposes.





I think they would be better served with a modern design from a specialist in aluminium like DicK Zall, for instance the "NORTHERN COMFORT" one of his best designs and one that fits that program. The design is so popular that goes already on its V version.

If they want a fixed keel (instead of a lifting one) that would not be a problem. Previous versions had a fixed keel and if they want it smaller that should not also be a problem because he has similar smaller designs.

The point is that for making a boat so "banal" it is not needed to pass years studding what should be the ideal voyage boat. There are many answers on the market in what regards available designs, some very similar and production boats that will be less expensive than have a custom boat built or an one off.

Take a look at the "NORTHERN COMFORT V" by Dick Zall (the designer of the older Contest):





Regards

Paulo
 
#5,567 ·
Sydney-Hobart

The conditions continue to be very bad for the boats still sailing and many of these are small boats that are among the slower:

""Boat breaking". That's how Andrew Wenham, skipper of the VO70 Southern Excellence II described the seas off the Tasmanian coast when he arrived at Constitution Dock this afternoon.

"The sea is coming from everywhere; the north-west swell is joining up with the new south-west swell, so it's very shallow, very choppy,'' he said.

"Four and five meter seas, big waves, a lot of them breaking. I would be seriously worried about the smaller boats that are still at sea tonight and tomorrow."

Wenham said that during the last hours of the race, Southern Excellence II was seeing consistent 30 knot winds, which is pretty much what they expected, but it was the gusts that made it tricky.

"We got up to 45 knots, possibly up to 50 if you watched it that closely,'' he said.
...

The good news for the boats still at sea is that Matthew Thomas from the Bureau of Meteorology does expect things to get a little bit better, but still from the south west.

"Over the next six to 12 hours there'll be 15 to 25 knots,'' he said early this afternoon.

"As the boats get closer down to Maria Island winds will increase again. Currently there are gale conditions down there, wind speeds of around 30 to 35 knots for the southeast and lower east of Tasmania.

"There's winds of 25 to 30 knots in Storm Bay, but they're easing back and conditions will improve later today."


Seas, not the wind, the big problem for the boats still at sea - Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race 2013
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It seems that a Victoire, a Cookson 50 raced by Darryl Hodgkinson will won the race in compensated time.
 
#5,569 · (Edited)
Cookson 50

This is a production boat and it had to be a NZ boat:D you are going to understand why, but for now it is enough to know that she has just won the Sydney Hobart in compensated.

It is made in two versions: A racer and a cruiser racer being the major difference a existence of a higher cabin since being this a semi custom boat the interior comfort and quality is left much to the owner desires. Both have cantig keels.

Initially, back in 2004 the boat was a racer with a flat cabin but today almost all have the cruiser-racer configuration, at least in what regards the cabin.

The hull is remarkably modern for a 2004 design (the cabin design is more recent). A very nice boat:









Anyway even the cruiser-racer is (on all cases I know) used much more as a racer than a cruiser but I don't see why the boat cannot be used as a performance cruiser.

They say about the boat design and program:

Affordable, fun to sail and fast, led to a new generation of yacht, the Cookson 50. The boat of the future complete with ultra modern interior. Working closely with the Farr Design Office, Cookson Boats developed and launched the prototype in November 2004.

Conceptuals for the Cookson 50 developed from reducing Transpac 52 hull shape to 50 feet, maximizing beam, and increasing freeboard for full headroom to produce an interior suitable for family cruising.

Fully equipped with a canting keel and trim tab/canard to maintain stability and minimize crew numbers makes the Cookson 50 a winner all round for the serious club racer with a view to successfully competing in any grand prix event he chooses.

To date, the Cookson 50 has shown remarkable performances reaching and running. She has proven capable of holding her own on the wind against some serious competition. She is a true multipurpose yacht, big and powerful unencumbered by any rule but fits within the rules of most major grand prix events.


Cookson besides producing this "affordable" production canting keel cruiser racer is one of the best custom builders of high tech racing boats having built for instance: Loyal (ex -Rambler), the VOR 70 Camper and several Open 60's boats. The boats are made of carbon, very though and very light and the Cookson 50 is no exception.

Look at the Cookson 50 dimensions:

LOA -50ft,,,, LWL - 15.24 m,,,, LWL - 13.85 m,,,, Beam - 4.30m,,,,Draft - 3.0m,,,,Displacement - 7000 kgs

and look how she sails:



Yes, a NZ boat:D It has the spirit and the speed.;)
 
#5,570 ·
Re: Cookson 50

This is a production boat and it had to be a NZ boat:D you are going to understand why, but for now it is enough to know that she has just won the Sydney Hobart in compensated.

It is made in two versions: A racer and a cruiser racer being the major difference a existence of a higher cabin since being this a semi custom boat the interior comfort and quality is left much to the owner desires. Both have cantig keels.

Initially, back in 2004 the boat was a racer with a flat cabin but today almost all have the cruiser-racer configuration, at least in what regards the cabin.

The hull is remarkably modern for a 2004 design (the cabin design is more recent). A very nice boat:

Anyway even the cruiser-racer is (on all cases I know) used much more as a racer than a cruiser but I don't see why the boat cannot be used as a performance cruiser.

[snip, snip, snip]

and look how she sails:



Yes, a NZ boat:D It has the spirit and the speed.;)
Let me tell you that those boys are sailing that boat like a Melges 24 - everyone at the back of the cockpit (except pit person, who probably has the vang control in his hand) and going like they were on the reaching leg of an Olympic triangle course, not out in 30+ knots and 10 ft seas, doing some serious ocean racing. :D

That's what I like to see. Serious crews doing serious racing when others might be triple reefed with a #4 headsail up. And I'd wager that as soon as the angle was right they put up the A5.

The only thing I might add is the boat looks like it could use some water ballast in the stern or a fuller bow section (telephone call for Mr. Raison, s'il veut plait). :D

Loved this video. Made my day.
 
#5,572 ·
Vendee Globe: Sailor's evolution

I had another look at an interesting movie about the 2000/2001 edition and what had impressed me more than the evolution of the boats is the evolution of the sailors: Now there seems to be several of them with the same quality that at that time only Michel Desjoyeux seemed to have, I mean the discipline the professionalism the seriousness. At that time, for many the Vendee was more an Adventure than a race.

Not for Desjoyeux then, not for several racers on the last edition from whom the Vendee was just a big race, the biggest of them all.

Have a look at the two movies and see what I mean:



 
#5,574 · (Edited)
Re: Vendee Globe: Sailor's evolution

I had another look at an interesting movie about the 2000/2001 edition and what had impressed me more than the evolution of the boats is the evolution of the sailors: Now there seems to be several of them with the same quality that at that time only Michel Desjoyeux seemed to have, I mean the discipline the professionalism the seriousness. At that time, for many the Vendee was more an Adventure than a race.

Not for Desjoyeux then, not for several racers on the last edition from whom the Vendee was just a big race, the biggest of them all.

Have a look at the two movies and see what I mean
That is a bit unfair a comment to all the other competitors...
If you remember - michel had to fight for the win almost until the finish line because he was pushed by ellen mc arthur who lost out by a day eventually only because she hit a container in the north atlantic and had to do repairs...
And at the cape hoorn she was more than 600 nm behind, she even diverted to come to the aid for palier but still caught up with michel..
Palier was in the lead til he got dismasted and finished non the less with a jury rig... ;)
Vendée Globe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not to me only, the overall winner of this edition was ellen mc arthur... ;)

Edit:
I love the boats from that era, because they could get converted easier to a cruiser than the radical designs from today... They had more freeboard, an enclosed cockpit, the hulls were not that focused on reaches having narrower sterns so they should have better windward abilities... If i had the money and could get my hand on one, i definitely would not hesitate and convert it to cruise in fashion and speed... :)
 
#5,575 · (Edited)
Re: Hinckley Bermuda 50

A Modern Heir Is Born: The Hinckley Bermuda 50 | Rhode Island
Looks very european (in a positive way), and fast.
Congrats to Hinckley!
Humm, I agree with all except with that thing about "looking very European". I agree with them when they say: A Modern Heir Is Born.

The Key word here is modern. The best Na from all the world design very similar boats when they design modern sailboats being them Americans, Europeans or from Oceania.

"The Hinckley Bermuda 50 is an advanced performance sloop that captures the best of design and technology. For sailors who wish to have a yacht they will be proud to cruise and race over many years, with the head-turning beauty and elegance that is unmistakably Hinckley, the Bermuda 50 is the modern day evolution of the Bermuda 40. "

http://www.hinckleyyachts.com/Sailboats/B50/b50_gallery.php

http://ri.usharbors.com/image-gallery/modern-heir-born-hinckley-bermuda-50#sthash.hVlan0hd.dpuf

I like it, not so much the interior style, but the NA work (by Bill Tripp) is just great. A very nice boat with the particularity to have a big dinghy garage and that's just great for a 50fter.

I hope they succeed but I am not sure the American market, for whom they work most, are prepared for truly modern performance cruising boats. In Europe the competition is huge on that sector and for succeeding there I would say that they have to hire a top interior designer to give to the boat interior the same design quality it shows on the outside.







And some very interesting movies, one with the NA, Bill Tripp, talking aboutr the boat, other with the owner saying what he wanted as a performance cruising boat.





Regards

Paulo
 
#5,578 ·
Re: A great new year to all.

Last post of this year hopping and wishing to all a better 2014.
Paulo - Thanks very much to you and all the other participants in this forum for enriching and informing my life in 2013. I've learned an incredible amount of useful information, kept up to date on the latest yachts, across the full range of designs, and shared the excitement of all the year's major races. This forum thread is a work of love for you that I hope has been rewarded by it's phenomenal success.

Very much looking forward to participating in the coming year and sharing the excitement of even more interesting boats, interesting races and interesting friends.

Happy New Year to you and your family.

MrPelicano :D
 
#5,580 ·
Thanks Paulo.. incredible effort keeping this thread alive and fascinating, for participants and lurkers alike.

Happy New Year (though we've got another 15 1/2 hours to go!)
 
#5,581 ·
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Happy New Year (though we've got another 15 1/2 hours to go!)
Man, you are slow!!! Andrews have already arrived at the new year 4 hours ago I will take more 5 hours but you call yourself Faster and take almost more a day than Andrews???:D

A beautiful picture that will make us all dream with sailing on summer days in this last day of the year:



The best to you and your family,

Paulo
 
#5,582 ·
#5,584 ·
Re: Finally: a great movie about this year's Sydney Hobart

The first few minutes are the best and provide excellent examples of outstanding heavy weather boat handling. In most of those clips the drivers are generally doing a great job of guiding their boats through the conflicted seas, without pounding into the waves. From experience that is really exhausting work, which means you've got to have several people aboard capable of driving in those conditions, if you want to keep the boat in one piece and the crew from getting tossed about.

Still, you wonder how much footage was left on the cutting room floor for this 6 minute piece, most of which is talking head comments and start/finish coverage. Really want to see a couple hours of action footage from offshore, which presumably was do-able via on-board boat cameras and aerial cameras. Compare this with the 2012 Middle Sea Race footage that Paulo posted earlier, which is outstanding (not to mention that lengthy video of the Cookson 50 blasting along in what looked like Force 7-8 conditions - that one was 10+ minutes long and riveting). It's not like Rolex doesn't have the money for better coverage. :D

Thanks for sharing this, Paulo!
 
#5,586 · (Edited)
Ker 50 C/R

Prefered boat on the Sydney Hobart: Look at min 1.05

regattanews.com - Video Gallery

Amazing performance for a boat with this program:

Jason Ker: "A 50' yacht designed to very specific requirements with a very complete bespoke interior, the brief was for a yacht that would undertake a combination of Cruising the Queensland coast in between bouts of competitive racing, and lift its keel above a sandbar in front of its home port. The design incorporates an innovative lifting keel system that preserves interior space while being much lighter typical systems. "

The boat has a lifting Keel (2.2 to 3 m) it is not a Carbon boat (eglass), it is made in China by McConaghy and probably will have an attractive price.

The beautiful boat, "Kerumba", finished 19 in real time and the three boats immediately behind (real time) were an Open 50, a TP 52 and a VOR60:eek:

"The crew changed With the majority of the crew stepping up from a Beneteau 44.7, the performance jump is being met with exhilaration in what has been described as a 'Beneteau on steroids'." :D

As I have said, it is a beautiful performance cruiser....and an incredible fast one too:















 
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