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CD knows this cause he's the one hanging around the mooring field...
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The reason you do not see as many Catalinas is that they are out there sailing... not hanging around the mooring field scared to go out!

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Interesting thoughts all. My 350 might be a little tight for cruising with a family, but I think a couple could make it work easily. I wouldn't feel comfortable sailing my boat in true bluewater, but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that in anything less than a ship (but that's just me).

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Interesting thoughts all. My 350 might be a little tight for cruising with a family, but I think a couple could make it work easily. I wouldn't feel comfortable sailing my boat in true bluewater, but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that in anything less than a ship (but that's just me).
Your boat would be great down there!

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Just back from 2 weeks in Antigua, Barbuda and Guadaloupe... gotta say I didn't see any Catalinas there. Could be the East Coast freight charges are part of the answer - but aren't several Catalina models built in Florida these days?

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Just back from 2 weeks in Antigua, Barbuda and Guadaloupe... gotta say I didn't see any Catalinas there. Could be the East Coast freight charges are part of the answer - but aren't several Catalina models built in Florida these days?
+1 on the I love my C36 comment, and yes some (most?, all?) Catalina production has recently moved to FL. If freight charges were one of the variables in why there seems to be more Beneteaus in the Carribean, then the number of Catalinas down there might increase over time, but the move to FL is a pretty recent occurance, so it wouldn't have much effect on the numbers yet.

Having looked hard at many of the mid sized (34-36 ft) production boats, I have to say I can't see any reasons why a charter company would consitently choose Beneteau's over Catalina's, unless it was price which I suspect could be the case. Beneteau may look at charter fleets as a form of advertising since it gives lots of folks a chance to get very familar with their product. I bet more than one charterer has gone home and bought a Beneteau because that's the boat they were most familiar with. That being the case, they may offer some pretty aggressive pricing to shut out other production builders that can't/won't discount as much. Just a theory.

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Here is my understanding (from a very limited scientific sample) on why you don't see Catalinas in the charter fleet, years ago I posed the same question to one of a higher-ups from one of the the bigger charter companies who ended up in the chair next to me at a Cruising World function.

What this fellow said was that they had used Catalinas for a short period and that the Beneteaus held up better in the hard useage that they were being put through than the Catalina's they had used for a short while. (They also used Endeavours and Gulfstars for a short while if I remember right and still use Hunters in some locations)

One issue that he mentioned was that many of their boats were owned by private owners on 'lease-back' and that when they offered other brands the buyers tended to prefer the Beneteaus.

He also said that they got better warranty support from Beneteau, and that Beneteau was more willing to customize their models to meet the needs of the charter fleets. He also liked that Beneteau seemed to update their models more frequently giving the perception of a fresher fleet, but his reasoning on that seemed counter-intuitive. I asked if price played a role, and he seemed to suggest that it did not.

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And I believe Gerry Douglas at the Cat owners rondevous (?) on Catalina Island last spring said they were no longer building boats at the factory in Woodland Hills, CA they still have the parts department operating and offices. I wasn't happy to hear it, the only large boat builders left here are Duffy electric and Cabo motoryachts and they are on a former airforce base out in the Mojave desert.
At a boat show in June I spoke with someone from Cat Yacht Anchorage (almost a factory dealership) about the effect of shipping costs from Florida on a 350, seems it's about $10,000 for a truck which was big enough for a 350 and a couple smaller boats.

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I know there are catalinas down there - I have no idea why they are not more prevalent.

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Probably because they all are sailed by nude skippers, slobbering bull dogs, yappy yorkies, and have double-floored cheapo dinghies filled with urine.

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Well, one is...and that's probably why no one else will be caught dead sailing one down there...


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Probably because they all are sailed by nude skippers, slobbering bull dogs, yappy yorkies, and have double-floored cheapo dinghies filled with urine.

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Probably because they all are sailed by nude skippers, slobbering bull dogs, yappy yorkies, and have double-floored cheapo dinghies filled with urine.
I just want to make it perfectly clear that I was in no way involved with filling the dinghies with urine...the ones in the Carib I mean.


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