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Just curious, how does a flush deck, with no doghouse, equal more interior space????
Perhaps I should have said raised flush deck? Compare interior volume of a tanzer 22 to a catalina 22, or a venture 22, or similar and you'll see what i mean- consistent headroom from gunwale to gunwale. They aint' pretty, and it can be a pain in the neck to climb around or over a dodger to go forward, but especially on small boats the extra cabin width not lost to deck space makes things a lot less claustrophobic.
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Oh, yes, I can see that making the cabin larger...but most of the flush deck boats I'm used to are not raised at all..and quite claustrophobic..

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Perhaps I should have said raised flush deck? Compare interior volume of a tanzer 22 to a catalina 22, or a venture 22, or similar and you'll see what i mean- consistent headroom from gunwale to gunwale. They aint' pretty, and it can be a pain in the neck to climb around or over a dodger to go forward, but especially on small boats the extra cabin width not lost to deck space makes things a lot less claustrophobic.
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So... went to look at the Cal and the C&C today. The Cal was a typical Cal really, bit scruffy, old deck hardware (quite a few seized bearings in the tackles) but otherwise solid, not really suitable for more than daysailing and perhaps a single overnight. Just having a coat of new bottom paint and I am hopefully going for a sail on it tomorrow afternoon.
The C&C was enormous by comparison, in generally nice condition, reasonable deck hardware but a couple of soft spots on the foredeck. Inside was nice, bit damp after being sat all winter and an inch or two of water in the bilge. Quite surprised by the amount of room in the cabin, definitely capable of a few days cruising with just the two of us. Should be a bit easier to sail single/shorthanded too as all the lines are lead into the cockpit. She's also getting a fresh coat of bottom paint.
Wife thinks we should get the Cal as it's cheaper to buy, cheaper to buy bits for and cheaper to moor. I think I would outgrow it within a year and be wanting something a bit bigger but can't argue with the price, and shouldn't loose anything on it.
Don't really know what to do, both are viable.
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....Don't really know what to do, both are viable.
If your wife is enthusiastic, chances are you'll be looking at C&Cs again by next year... So if the "stepping stone" aspect of the Cal appeals just keep in mind that it may well be short term.

If you think overall you'll save some money, some angst, and have an even better first year by buying the larger boat now, consider that. As you say, both are viable.

I think you know what I'd advise ...
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Get the C&C... it's a much more comfortable boat and you're far less likely to outgrow it quickly.
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Is the soft spot in the deck something to be very concerned about? I guess it was about 4 inches across. What about the water in the bilge? Boat has been on the hard all winter.
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Any older boat is likely to have some issues. What you describe, if indeed that's the extent, sounds minor. The water in the bilge likely came from a leaky window, or deck fitting, also not an uncommon problem in an older used boat. However if there was a couple of inches of water over the cabin sole, that's more worrisome.

These things are repairable, mostly DIY if you're at all handy.

All that said, there are other boats out there too, so if this particular C&C is not the better candidate, then perhaps look further once you have a firm idea of what the two of you really want.
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Hoping to try and get out on the C&C before the owners flies back south again. Assuming that goes well, I'm going to lowball him and see how it works out
I have a number in mind, let's hope it's not too far off the number he has in mind, besides, moorage will be due April 1st so I suspect he'll be extra motivated.
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Hoping to try and get out on the C&C before the owners flies back south again. Assuming that goes well, I'm going to lowball him and see how it works out
Best of luck! Keep us posted
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Well, the boat is actually in the water now at least. Just had a fresh coat on its bottom and I finally managed to get the Admiral on board to have a look at the inside. A thumbs up from SWMBO, I think she finally realised the difference between 20 and 24ft!
I haven't actually been out for a sail on her yet though, the owner is flying back down to the US in the morning and won't be back for a week or two. Anyway, he wants me to essentially put a contract in place to buy it, subject to inspection and a sea test. Since I haven't even put an offer on the table yet, what is the normal way to do it? I was going to offer something rather lower than his asking price, with a bit of wriggle room to go up a bit if necessary and then confirm it with the sea trial (can't see it's worth getting a surveyor involved at this end of the market). I haven't exactly bought a lot of boats before, but I've bought cars and normally the sequence of events is have a look, go for a drive, give them an offer.
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