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Boats are a bit different. The normal thing is to have an accepted offer subject to satisfactory sea trial and survey in place before anything really happens (certainly at a brokerage this would be the case). Private sales are another thing and they may go differently, but as a seller I'd still want to see some good faith money before taking someone out for a sail (mainly to avoid fender-kicking looky-loos that just want a free sail)

This is one area where a broker smooths thing..they provide at the least a neutral place to hold the deposit while the deal progresses, and can facilitate renegotiations without things getting personal.

As for a survey.... It's still recommended unless you feel you wouldn't be bothered to throw away $5k. The $400-600 involved is almost always recovered in a renegotiated price for the problems found. Should you end up with a boat with major problems, not only might you essentially be "out" your initial investment, getting rid of such a boat is difficult and might cost you more. (Worst case scenario, of course). If it turns out that the boat is pristine and has no issues, then you've got a lot of peace of mind for the future.

If your seller is willing to proceed on an agreement for sale contract and you get a good vibe from him, carry on with eyes wide open. Try for a minimal deposit in case things go seriously south and recovery becomes an issue.

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Ah OK, I see. So I will give him my offer and we then agree on a price, which can then change according to the results of the survey and trial.
So leading on from that, can anyone recommend a good surveyor in/near Sidney, I can see how they might pay for themselves. Is an in-water survey going to be sufficient, any idea on cost on a 24ft C&C?

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This fellow is always well recommended, not sure if he's still working. He is very thorough and no BS. (it's said sellers shudder if they hear his name! )

Kenneth W. Rorison Marine, 250-655-3425, krorison at shaw dot ca

He might be on the pricey side, so check around if you like, but you may get what you pay for....

An in-water survey is really not ideal for a purchase survey. What's going on out of sight are some of the most important issues to investigate. So you do need to add the cost of a haulout unless there's an elevator accessible. Usually a 'half lift' is possible - ie they leave the boat in the slings over lunch to allow an underbody inspection, then splash the boat for the remainder of the survey. A pressure wash is really needed too to be sure you can see the whole picture. (If you buy the boat then you know it's clean and ready to go! Also if things are looking good at this time it's a good idea to change zincs if nec. while the boat's out)

btw, if you plan to insure the boat the carrier will likely require a survey in any event, for valuation purposes.

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Shouldn't need pressure washing, it only went into the water yesterday. I believe it was painted with multi-season bottom paint which can be hauled and put back into the water without needing to be painted again. I've sent that chap an email to see if he does surveys and how much it would cost.

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Well, the deed is done and I've emailed a tentative offer. Now have to wait and see what they say and where we end up. Fingers crossed!!

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Best of luck!

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I got his counter offer. Ahhhhh, will give it a day or two and pop in my final offer. There are a lot of boats around so the price needs to reflect the market. Having said that, I want a deal that we are both happy with. Always did enjoy a good haggle.

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I got his counter offer. Ahhhhh, will give it a day or two and pop in my final offer. There are a lot of boats around so the price needs to reflect the market. Having said that, I want a deal that we are both happy with. Always did enjoy a good haggle.
Be wary of the soft spot on the deck-- and make sure the surveyor was clear about what would need to be done to deal with it.

I still part-own a Cal 20, and I owed a C&C 27, and I've been on C&C 24s. I would go for the C&C 24 if possible, but the C&C 24 and 27s had balsa cores in their rounded decks, and water could spread inside and affect them pretty seriously.

There's a dedicated site for C&C 27s that had a picture gallery and article about redoing wet decks-- it was an eye opener. I'm glad our C&C 27 was fine in that regard.

Good luck-- I hope it works out!

note: here's a link to the deck repair article:

C&C 27 Assoc – Black Arts – Deck Repairs


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Scary stuff! There were definite cracks around the stanchions so I suspect there may be rather more water ingress into the core than just the soft spot would suggest. I wonder if it's even worth going any further with this one. Hmmm.
Out of interest, what sort of costs are involved in something like repairing a rotten core per square foot?

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