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Wire halyard

How normal is this:



The wire for the halyard has to wrap the winch to get it tight.

I thought only the line part should be on the winch.

On one winch their is a very serious groove in the winch drum from a wire.

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Looks like the wire part of the halyard is too long for your application.. Our wire/rope halyard is 50 ft of wire....70 feet of rope. Mast height is 54 ft.

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You could cut the shackle off and re-crimp to far enough up the wire portion to ensure that only rope is on the drum...

Or better yet, if the masthead sheaves allow, change to an all-rope halyard. The need for rope/wire spliced halyards is long time past.

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I much prefer all rope, and fortunately with the advent of low-stretch line we don't see wire halyards as much anymore.

But in my experience, what you show in the photo is not unusual. At least as far as rope-wire halyards go. Anywhere I used them, it was typical to get several wraps of wire around the winch drum once the halyard was at full hoist. That's how they would get the most from wire's low-stretch advantage, i.e. by eliminating the line from the part with the working load.


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My boat was like that when I bought it. The wire section of the jib halyard came back to the cabintop winch. By itself, it wasn't a problem but I wanted to add rope clutches so I did as Faster suggested and cut off 8 ft of wire and recrimped the shackle. This was harder than it sounds. I'm replacing my wire / rope jib halyard with all rope this spring.

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It is probably not a good idea as it will eat into the winch drum eventually. I'd certainly change one like David showed.

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While it isn't that uncommon, having wire rope on the winch isn't going to help the winch's longevity much and will damage the finish on the winch drum far more severely than rope alone ould.

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I just talked to my remote rigger and he agreed with you guys with a new wrinkle.

The reason why the wire is usually sized to go around the drum is so the splice is on the drum so the spice does not get the full tension with the winch.

He says that what they typically do is replace the wire-rope combination with all staysetX one size smaller. He says they don't typically obsess over the shivs at the top. of the mast. If it runs through it's considered OK.
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