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Morris Leigh 30?

I've seen one for sale locally for what seems like more than a year and have always found it to be an interesting boat. Unfortunately, there is not a lot of information on the internet about the boat. I've found that it is a Chuck Paine design, just under 30' LOA, built by Morris, etc.

Anyone ever sail one? How nice would it be on Lake Michigan? How well would one keep it's value? How many were produced? Opinions?

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The local boat:
1981 Morris Yachts Leigh Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

One other I found (with better photos):
Morris Leigh 30

PDF from the Paine website:
http://www.chuckpaine.com/pdf/30LEIGH30.pdf
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Urban,

These are nice boats, if somewhat dated designs from the '70s when double-enders were fashionable. Some were sold as bare hulls/decks and owner-completed, so you need to keep that in mind as you look at these.

Also, my understanding is the moulds were later licensed out to a UK boatbuilder called "Victoria", who built some versions (see, e.g. Victoria 30). The Victorias were generally less expensive than the full-blown Morris version. The home-built caveat may apply to the Victorias as well -- but I'm not sure on that.

Ferenc Mate, in his now dated book "Best Boats to Build or Buy", reviewed the Leigh, along with several other Morris models. If you can find a copy in your local library, there might be some helpful info there.

As much as I like the look of double-enders and canoe sterns, I am not a huge fan of them in boats this size. It just seems like too much hull volume is lost, and in a size range where you're trying to get as much as you can (within reason) in a compact hull. Of Paine's Morris designs from that era, I prefer his 30-foot "Annie", which has a more traditional stern and fuller hull sections in the aft end. Quite a bit more hull volume in the same length.
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As a P.S., I just took a quick peek at the Morris website, and they actually refer to Annie as a 29-footer. I seem to recall that it is closer to 30', but no matter.

Also, they indicate that 19 Leigh and 16 Annie examples were built.
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Thank you for the info. I did some more searching and noticed that Chuck Paine is now selling plans for a "MKII" version of the Annie. He seems to really like that design. I wonder what it would cost to build today.
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Professionally, probably 300k plus the way Morris builds. Maybe a lot more. Chuck Paine redesigned the 36 and thinks it could be built for about 600k in the US.

John, are you sure Morris sold just hull/decks? I don't believe they did.

I don't think Paine ever drew a bad boat in looks or performance and Morris ranks as one of the best production builders in the US.
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John, are you sure Morris sold just hull/decks? I don't believe they did.
Brian,

Sorry for any confusion. Morris primarily sold complete boats, finished out at their production facility in Southwest Harbor. However, in their early years Morris also sold hulls/decks for owner completion. Some owners finished the boats themselves, others contracted with different yards/shipwrights to complete the interiors.

I'm not sure exactly when Morris stopped offering bare hulls for owner purchase and completion. But like many other builders that once offered "kits" back in the '70s and '80s -- they no longer do.

About ten years ago, I nearly purchased a completely virgin Morris 32 hull/deck (predecessor to the current 34) that was stored behind a barn in Connecticut. Someone had purchased it new from Morris -- but never got farther than that in their project/dream. I seem to recall that the hull had a mid-late-80s build date. So they were certainly still offering bare hulls at that point.
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Professionally, probably 300k plus the way Morris builds. Maybe a lot more. Chuck Paine redesigned the 36 and thinks it could be built for about 600k in the US.

John, are you sure Morris sold just hull/decks? I don't believe they did.

I don't think Paine ever drew a bad boat in looks or performance and Morris ranks as one of the best production builders in the US.
Wow, that sure is a ton of money. I am a bit surprised as Chuck Paine's new venture offers 4 designs being sold as:

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I am intrigued, so perhaps I will contact them and ask about expected build costs.
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The price came from Chuck Paine's description of the Expannie 36. With a new Catalina 36 going for 200k it's not hard to see that the prices for a much better built custom boat would be much higher. Se below for part of his description of the Expannie 36.
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Morris/Victoria 30 owner

Hi,
Just found this thread,
I've owned Trinket a Morris/Victoria Leigh 30 for the last 13+ years.
Lived and cruised aboard for 6 1/2 of those years and currently living
aboard. My boat was built in 1984 by Victoria Marine in England under license
by Tom Morris, Morris was the sole importer and considered them one of his boats, if you have ever owned one of his boats before he passed on you would know what its like to be part of the family of Morris boats. Trinket was originally named Victoria and was Morris's show boat in Maine for 2 years before coming out to the Seattle area. I am the third owner/caretaker of this boat, her name was changed to Trinket by the gentleman I purchased her from. Being close to Victoria, BC the name created confusion on the VHF, and Trinket suits the boat much better-she is a small Gem.

Morris built the first number of Leigh 30's, some of which were owner finished
out, as with owner finished boats the level of craftsmanship is varied. The number of Morris built hulls built seems vary depending on the source, I've been told by reliable sources 12 hulls but have seen a Morris display board at the Seattle boat show list a higher number. In 1998 Chuck Paine the designer
told me some where between 35-40 boats had been built between the Morris yard and Victoria yard.
As for the comment about the Victoria Leigh's being cheaper all the way around, that may be in the original price maybe. It had become for financially advantages for Morris to have the boats build in the UK due to the exhange rate at the time. The quality of construction is typical Morris.

They were designed and built as an offshore/world cruiser. Not a true double ender as one generally thinks of one such as the Westsail 32. The Leigh is a canoe stern with a graceful blend of classic lines and a performance underbody that sails well, Chuck Paine is known for this in his designs.

This is a boat I would buy again, I would be happy to answer any questions folks might have about these boats, there is more than I can post here.
I have been through this boat in detail as I had equipped her for offshore cruising.

Currently in Anacortes, WA
S/V Trinket
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Boatwoman,
Thank you very much for your reply.

Could you tell me how well your boat sails in light air? That seems to be all we get in the late summer in Chicago.
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