Buying first Boat. - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Boat Review and Purchase Forum
 Not a Member? 


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 06-15-2010
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
L0ngh0rns is on a distinguished road
Buying first Boat.

Looking at a 1983 Tanzer 27. She is very clean and seems to be in great shape. The Bilge is dry and she has been in a fresh water lake for her life. Should I still seek a survey?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 06-15-2010
TQA's Avatar
TQA TQA is offline
Bombay Explorer 44
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,575
Thanks: 0
Thanked 47 Times in 43 Posts
Rep Power: 6
TQA is on a distinguished road
What about the rigging, thru hulls, damage to the mast, engine, gearbox, propshaft, skeg, rudder, keel, wiring etc etc.

An 83 Tanzer 27 should go for less than 10k so your financial risk is not too great but if you buy a load of problems it could be years before you go sailing.

Either pay a surveyor to look at these things OR buy Don Caseys book and do it yourself.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 06-15-2010
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Edgewater, MD
Posts: 91
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 5
mpickering is on a distinguished road
Second Casey's book. Both "This Old Boat" and his complete book on sailboat maintenance have been invaluable to me.

I bought my C-27 minus a survey. The $5000 didn't justify it and most of the major areas that would cause concern were acceptable. For example, outboard engine so no inboard issues, minimal thru-hulls and all had seacocks, no "Catalina Smile", no evidence of serious leaks, no bulkhead delamination, etc. Only issues of concern was standing rigging (replaced) and needed three new keel nuts (did it myself, thanks Sears!).

Would a survey have helped? Yes, in hindsight. We probably would still have bought the boat. In the end we put about 1.5 times her purchase price into her but the end result is essentially a new boat in all the areas that matter stem to stern, keel to masthead.

It all depends on your tolerance for elbow grease. For me, it was six months of fall, some winter and spring days working on one problem at a time. And we're still working but it is on minor and manageable stuff now.

My next boat will get a survey only due to the monetary outlay involved. For $10K, I'd do it. Below about $7K and depending on your "fix her up" budget, I likely would skip it. An honest owner will tell you what they did and what issues you will have.

Casey also has a good book on surveying fiberglass sailboats. Pick that up if nothing else. You don't need a license to be a surveyor and can do it yourself.

Matt
__________________
SV South Paw
2000 Hunter 340
South River, MD
Star #6100
Annapolis, MD
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 06-15-2010
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
L0ngh0rns is on a distinguished road
Thanks for your input guys. Well I had no idea that a survey would cost that much money. I have talked the seller down to $6000. It seems that a survey would be overkill. I will definitely buy Casey's book. It has an outboard engine that is 2 years old so there shouldn't be too many worries on that end. I sailed on the boat for about 2 hours and it seemd like a quality boat. I have looked at about 15 boats and this one seems like the right fit for my wife and I.

Last edited by L0ngh0rns; 06-15-2010 at 04:56 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 06-15-2010
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,291
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 13
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
I'd recommend looking at the Boat Inspection Trip Tips thread I started. It can give you a pretty good idea of what shape the boat is really in.
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 06-15-2010
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Central Arkansas
Posts: 209
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
tomwatt is on a distinguished road
Just to be clear, surveyors usually charge $x per foot LOA. Depending on the area and the season (busy or not) that can be $10 per foot and up.
The chances are, your insurance company is going to want a survey anyway, so as you get close to final on the deal, a survey makes sense. And it will tell you what things you need to focus on to get the boat in the water.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 06-16-2010
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
L0ngh0rns is on a distinguished road
Thanks for pointing me to your thread sailingdog. It was very helpful.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 06-16-2010
n8kraft's Avatar
Commodore
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Pier 32 Marina
Posts: 161
Thanks: 3
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 5
n8kraft is on a distinguished road
Survey and Insurance

To get cheaper insurance, like from Boat US you will need a survey. I got insured from Progressive without a survey though.

-Nate
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 06-16-2010
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 35
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Diceman is on a distinguished road
Found Thread Helpfull
Diceman
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 06-16-2010
bljones's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: South Coast Ontario
Posts: 8,153
Thanks: 32
Thanked 72 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 7
bljones has a spectacular aura about bljones has a spectacular aura about
If you think a survey is expensive, wait 'til you see what everything else costs.
Look, a survey on a Tanzer 27 should run you about $350-400. If the surveyor finds one thing that you hadn't noticed, one thing that allows you to negotiate the price downward by another $500, then the survey didn't cost you a dime. It actually made you money. In any event, more and more insurers are requiring surveys before issuing coverage, so it is sort of a "pay me now, or pay me later" proposition.

The Tanzer 27 is a good choice, btw. but, $6K is TOO cheap. a survey may be a good idea, if only to find out whether it is simply a screaming deal, or whether there is something glaringly, expensively wrong.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Miami Boat Show, Catalina,Hunter,Beneteau,Jeanueau Melrna Boat Reviews 38 08-10-2010 12:23 AM
help with lifes dream kimby Boat Review and Purchase Forum 37 12-02-2009 11:32 PM
The Joys and Pitfalls of Buying a New Boat - Part 2 Lin & Larry Pardey Buying a Boat Articles 0 11-06-2006 04:51 PM
Naming and Renaming Your Boat Sue & Larry Cruising Articles 0 12-15-2003 07:00 PM
Rust Never Sleeps John Kretschmer Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 02-27-2003 07:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:00 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.