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Buying a small first boat

I'm looking to by a small sailboat for day sailing, and I really have no idea what's best for me. Here's what type of sailing I'm looking for. I'm looking for a dinghy or small keel boat (not so sure i can afford the upkeep on a keel boat)

I grew up single handing hobie cats so I'm used to a performance boat, and I'd like my first boat to be a performance boat, but it must be easy to single hand. I plan on doing about 75% of my sailing single handed and about the other 25% with my girlfriend, or a friend.

The location I'll be sailing out of which plays a big role on my boat choice as I'd like to be able to hoist the sails at the inland end where it widens and sail out of the canal. Which I'm confident I can do easily. The canal is about .3 miles long and about 150 feet wide.

So as far as dinghies go I'm thinking either a Laser or a Vanguard 15 so far...I know the Vanguard 15 is a double handed boat so I'm not sure how well it single hands (I weigh about 170lbs). On the other hand I feel like unless the wind is way up the Laser will be a dog with 2 adults on board. Are there any other similarly sized and priced boats I should look at? Another thing after sailing Hobies am I going to be bored on a Laser or Vanguard 15/Similar boat? I would just say I'll buy another hobie but their beam makes them take up a lot of room on land.

I've briefly dabbled in the idea of buying a small keel boat J22 size...and just skip the dinghy step but I'm not sure I can afford the upkeep on a keel boat and it'd have to be one I can easily single hand! Obviously if I were to buy a keel boat I'd motor out of the canal...

So my priorities are
1. sailing out of a canal into long island's great south bay
2. easily single handed and moved about on land, but fun with 2 people on board as well
3. performance boat but nothing extreme like a skiff
4. next to nothing in maintenance costs
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I don't think you would be disappointed in the performance of a Laser. There is more to sailing than raw speed, and the Laser remains a popular racing class for many reasons. It takes a lot of time to learn how to get the most out of that single sail. Not the best boat for 2 however.
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A used Star?
I sailed a keelboat (Pennant 20) in and out of those canals for years without a motor. You can singlehand most small keelboats easily if you're not using a genoa or spinnaker. In the canal I sailed under the main alone.
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I agree with the raw speed comment, that's why I'm considering a small keel boat, something I could weekend on more along the lines of a pocket cruiser but with at least some performance heritage. I think if I were to get a small keel boat it'd have to wait a year or two more, because I don't want to have to take out a loan for a boat.

Hadn't considered a star, isn't this boat dry sailed? The place I'm considering doesn't have the capability to pull boat like that out of the water.
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Flying Scot

Take a look at a Flying Scot -- a lot more comfortable for daysailing for a couple of friends, but still a decent performer. A quick search showed a number of nice used ones available -- many for less than the cost of a used Laser.

This one looks particularly nice and has a trailer to boot: 19' SAILBOAT FLYING SCOT
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get a piedy

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Flying Scot is a great Idea, I'd have to leave it in the water for the season, definitely too heavy for me to pull up the ramp without a car...I really don't want to put a hitch on my car (It's a Mazda3) I guess that just means bottom paint for it...not a big deal. Plus its definitely more convenient to just hop on the boat and go if I don't have to take it in and out of the water every time I use it which will be frequently. For example When I lived with my parents in Rhode Island I used the Hobie nearly every single day in the summer.
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Never seen a peidy before...looks like an interesting boat!
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Flying Scot is a great Idea, I'd have to leave it in the water for the season, definitely too heavy for me to pull up the ramp without a car...I really don't want to put a hitch on my car (It's a Mazda3) I guess that just means bottom paint for it...not a big deal. Plus its definitely more convenient to just hop on the boat and go if I don't have to take it in and out of the water every time I use it which will be frequently. For example When I lived with my parents in Rhode Island I used the Hobie nearly every single day in the summer.
The trailer load pulling a Scot is pretty minimal, but might make a future buyer wary not knowing you were pulling a small sailboat and not a much heavier stinkpot. Also take a look at a Rhodes 19 or an ODay Mariner -- basically a Rhodes 19 with a small cabin (and able to house a portapotty - something to think about). Great South Bay is overall fairly shallow, but you could also consider a Cape Dory Typhoon is keeping it in the water is an option. Typhoon has a full keel (draws 2'7") and is very stable, but less performance oriented.

If it were me, I'd be looking at a Flying Scot, a Rhodes 19/Mariner.
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Flying Scot seems like a good thing for me...Maybe I could hook up a pulley system to pull the trailer up the small launching ramp (and keep it from sliding down while loading/unloading its not a long ramp. Keeping it in the water would cost me $570 a season...$30 a foot. compared to $150 dry storage summer and $140 winter.
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