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Race Boat into Cruiser?

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What race boat (used) between 30-39' and less than $100k do you think could be turned into a very fast ocean cruiser that someone could sail single?

(Doesn't have to be beautiful inside)
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While a foot larger, the Cal 40 is a good choice. I'd stay away from the more extreme racers.
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Thank you mitiempo. Thats very helpful!
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Beneteau First 38. Google "Liz and Andy Copeland".
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Here's a link to a review of their First 38.
http://www.nealalexander.com/sitebui...iles/ben38.pdf
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The Bennie FIRST 38 (1980's) has been suggested to me in another cruising thread. This independently affirms that suggestion. Rare to find one on market though...i guess they are highly desirable.
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J/35's would be another alternative.
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J37, J40, J109...

Sabre 38, C&C 37, etc. There are a whole bunch.

Rather than look for a racer---->cruiser, look for a fast cruiser. With a cruiser, you'll have the creature comforts already "built" in, whereas some racers are really minimalistic below. Example a J105 is pretty small and spartan below compared to a J109. The 105 is considered a "sport boat", whereas the 109 a "cruiser". Both are roughly the same length; the 109 being about 8 inchs longer than the 105.

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I went through a similar process when I was buying my boat. The problem will be finding a racer in your price range that has a suitably robust rig for the rigors of continuous offshore work or which is shoal enough for island hopping.

In a general sense, I would look for early IMS type racer/cruisers, or some of the one design keel boats which were not designed to any specific rule. When I was doing my search some of the boats that I considered were the Frers 36, Tartan built Soverel 39 (negatives IOR and fragile rig) , Farr 37 and Farr 38 (Design 72 and not the earlier IOR design, AKA Farr 11.6), J-36, J-35, J34c, J-39, Express 37, Oyster Lightwave 39 (my favorite).

There are a number of older Ostar, and Open class boats out there which can sometimes be purchased cheaply. You probably can find old Open Class 40's and 50's in your price range. They tend to have deep draft and minimal headroom, but they were designed to go offshore, single-handed and very fast. Here is an example of an old Open class 50 that has been nicely modernized.
Photos of Open 50 Jules' Jewel

The other way to go is to look for old performance cruisers. The Australians, New Zealanders and South Africans latched onto non-rule related sooner than the rest of the world and produced some neat performance cruisers back in the 1980's. For example, a couple of these that you sometimes see cheaply are the Farr 1220, and Farr 44.

If you are not planning to actually spend a lot of time offshore but want a good sailing boat capable of occasional offshore passages, I think that the Beneteau First 42s7 is a very nice design. I would think the Beneteau First 38 or First 38s5 would also fall in this category.

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Question:

What race boat (used) between 30-39' and less than $100k do you think could be turned into a very fast ocean cruiser that someone could sail single?

(Doesn't have to be beautiful inside)
As a general rule, the cheapest way to get a boat like the kind you want, is to buy it that way..

If you want a cruiser, buy a boat that is set up to cruise, and hopefully designed to cruise.

If you buy a race boat, first you need to unload and trash all the racing gear you don't need or want, but just paid for. Then you need to purchase new the cruising gear you need, but didn't get when you bought the boat. Then you pay for and/or spend countless hours converting the boat to cruising criteria.

Buy a cruising design, equipped to cruise, and you are likely to save a lot of time and money, plus skip the starts and stops of your learning mistakes.

If you think a race boat is the cheap way to get there, you are likely to have an expensive learning experience.
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