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nemier 07-29-2010 06:49 PM

Tiki 36, Wharram design catamaran
Has anyone seen this new build design by BOATSMITH out of Florida?

If any vessel can push me over to a Catamaran, this is it.
Traveling out to Nigeria in a few hours, but will pick up internet access once there, I'd appreciate your views now though.

I love the concept of this vessel.
32' waterline --- 28" draft --- 4500 lbs displacement --- 650 sq. ft sail area = Hello!
comments please.

These numbers add up, why are there not more of them out there?

Jeff_H 07-29-2010 06:53 PM

Why are there not more of them out there?

Because Wharrams are usually a pain in the butt to sail, most are very crudely built (I understand that Boatsmith does a nice job) , and do not sail worth a darn? Why else?

nemier 07-29-2010 07:14 PM

Why else indeed?
It's all about the sailing for me.
Never been on a cat of this size but I did like the numbers on paper - don't you?

AKscooter 07-29-2010 07:15 PM

okay, i'll bite Jeff. Could you actually explain the deficiencies of the sailing characteristics vs other comparable ocean going cats. Any boat, home or professional built can be crude. So please spell it out for those of us that are interested in learning about different platforms. Otherwise, as with my personal vehicle my motto is: Absolutely Nothing Beats A Hummer.

tdw 07-29-2010 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Jeff_H (Post 626856)
Why are there not more of them out there?

Because Warrams are usually a pain in the butt to sail, most a very crudely built (I understand that Boatsmith does a nice job) , and do not sail worth a darn? Why else?

oh sure....but apart from that they are perfect.....:eek::laugher:eek:

Earlier this year we were anchored next to a Wharram on the south coast of NSW. Really quite remarkable things but hardly mainstream. I kind of liken them to those old VW Kombis with the 6v electricals and split windscreens. Legendary , no doubt, but you'd have to be out of your tree to want one.

Nemier my friend, if you really have your heart set on a'll need to grow your hair, get some cut off denims, some tie dyed indian shirts, sandals, head bands and some decent weed.


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nemier 07-29-2010 08:00 PM

Jesus H.....TDW,
I wish someone would have told me!
The Kombis went 5 months ago to my daughter's boyfriend, my hair went in 1999 (after the Brazil 1200' dive), my denims went last year because I'm too fat, but the tie dye shirts, sandals, head-bands and weed stay with me!

Now, listen-up you lot! I see a vessel with some interesting numbers. This Wharram is built by a professional. Not the back yard project you're thinking about. Look at the displacement vs the waterline length vs sail area...

this thing could move and I want to know why not- in your opinion- anyone out there - who isn't stoned...

tdw 07-29-2010 08:45 PM


Do you have a link to the Tiki 36 ? I can't find the site.

danjarch 07-29-2010 10:42 PM

Thomas Forth Jones had some good things to say about Wharram's designs. And he should know he built a couple of them as well as sailed them for years. In my opinion, and I'll start by saying that I've always like Wharrem's designs but it's best strengths is it's biggest weaknesses.

It's biggest strengths are that the designs are both simple to build and sail while still getting high marks for stability and strength offshore. Unfortunantly even when built by professional builders they still look homemade-ish. They're also not the most accomadating boats in the comfortable interiors. Add in that the vast majority of sailors are never going offshore and they don't have a good resale.

Most people want more space so opt for a catamaran that has a built up bridge deck. So unless your really planning to keep the boat on an anchorage most of the time when your not sailing to exotic locales then your going to pay a high price to keep a boat on a slip that's not overly comfortable for weekend cruising or parties.

mitiempo 07-29-2010 11:32 PM

Here's the Boatsmith link
Wharram Catamarans

And here's Wharram's site James Wharram Designs -Home of the self-build Catamaran.

gtod25 07-29-2010 11:46 PM

I went onboard the Boatsmith Tiki 30....
at the Miami Boat Show two years ago. Absolutely gorgeous piece of work. I have no connection with the builder but if I could afford him and his crew they would be working on my boat. As for the Wharram designs, I have no direct experience sailing them so I will leave comment on that to others.

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