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Ah so, but the reality is that hull speed says little about how fast a boat actually goes. The real predictor of passage times is the amount of time that a boat spend near, at or above its hullspeed. In my experience, it is very hard to get a Luders to sail anywhere near her hullspeed since they have such limited stability relative to their drag. Even sailing them with the 170% genoas that they were designed to use, they never were able to maintain their hullspeed even in moderate breezes. By comparason, in cruising mode, upwind, in 8 knots (true, 13 knots apparent) wind, the Farr 38 is often at her hullspeed or doing slightly more than her hullspeed, while my experience with the Luders 33 is that they rarely do their hullspeed. Actually, the Farr 38 and Luders 33 have the same design weight, but the Luders 33 sails on a 24 foot waterline and the Farr on a 32 foot waterline.
The reality is if both boats sailed from Annapolis to St. Michaels in 10 knots of wind, there would be a mix of beating, reaching and running and (from actual experience) it would take the Farr roughly 4 1/2- 5 hours and the Luders something over 8 hours.
In a more general sense, I find this thread very interesting, in part, because its opening premise was that the original poster started out wanting a boat that was a good single-hander and light air boat that was also a good offshore boat, starting out with a list of boats which had none of these characteristics (with the possible exception of the Cape Dory 28 which arguably is a decent offshore boat). It seems as if the original poster evaluated a number of options before deciding that neither offshore or light air ability was all that important and so chose an older racer/cruiser.
I don't mean this a critique, but more as an observation. All to often people come on these forums exploring a range of ideas. For many, it is a process of self-discovery. Some discover that there are a range of ideas that appeal to them and so may end up in a very different place than where they started, while others learn that they genuniely knew themselves at the start of their explorations and like this poster, end up exactly where they began, albeit sometimes for completely different reasons.
Before I leave this discussion, I do not want to leave the impression that I think that the original poster bought the wrong boat. I don't think he did. There is almost no such thing as the universally wrong boat. Obviously, this boat appeals to the OP and his "partner in crime" and that is what makes it right for them.
The main point of this post is that when I look at the specific choice of boat that the OP sellected, it does not come even close to matching the criteria that the OP described in his written goals; good light air capabilities, good offshore cruiser, easy to single-hand, protected rudder, or even a full keel. This boat offers none of that, but the good news is that the OP and his partner in crime are happy with what they bought and that is all that really matters.
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Last edited by Jeff_H; 01-28-2011 at 08:08 AM.