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Catalina 400 MKII draft

Folks:

I am very interested in purchasing a new Catalina 400 MK II (2010 or 2011 model) but not sure about the draft of the shoal draft keel version. Some folks say its 5'4" but the Catalina web site says 5'. Does anyone have a new 400 and actually measured the draft?

Any other comments about this boat would be appreciated such as:

1. Type of mainsail (standard with jacklines or roller rulling with vertical battens)
2. Type of generator and KW (want to run airconditioner on the hook and when the temps get near 100 deg F.)
3. Type of bow thruster and Hp
4. Size of genoa (sail on Great South Bay in NY and winds are usually 10 to 15 knots all summer)

I intend to sail it coastally alot and on occasion go to Bermuda and the Bahamas from Long Island, NY. Also plan on doing the Newport to Bermuda race next year.

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Ray
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Folks:

I am very interested in purchasing a new Catalina 400 MK II (2010 or 2011 model) but not sure about the draft of the shoal draft keel version. Some folks say its 5'4" but the Catalina web site says 5'. Does anyone have a new 400 and actually measured the draft?

Any other comments about this boat would be appreciated such as:

1. Type of mainsail (standard with jacklines or roller rulling with vertical battens)
2. Type of generator and KW (want to run airconditioner on the hook and when the temps get near 100 deg F.)
3. Type of bow thruster and Hp
4. Size of genoa (sail on Great South Bay in NY and winds are usually 10 to 15 knots all summer)

I intend to sail it coastally alot and on occasion go to Bermuda and the Bahamas from Long Island, NY. Also plan on doing the Newport to Bermuda race next year.

Thanks,

Ray
Ray, Hang on until Cruisingdad shows up. He's got a C400 and will surely be able to give you the answers you need as he's pretty much done what you propose with his Catalina.
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Incorrect info on sites stating draft of 2010 or 2011 Catalina 400 Mk II Shoal Draft

Interesting since that site has it at 5.75ft. I have heard also 5.5ft vs the Catalina web site which states 5'. Can someone with a new (2010 or 2011) Catalina 400 shoal draft keel let me know what it actually is?

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Ray
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I'll note that manufacturer specs can lie. I normally figure that the draft is more than what the manufacturer says. Once you load a boat up it sits lower. My boat (83 34' hunter) is ussually listed as having a draft of 4'2" however when I measured it while painting this spring the distance form the waterline stain to the bottom of the boat was 4'8".
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Welcome aboard Sailnet and hopefully to the Catalina family. I am the technical editor for the C400. I own HN #289.

What you are asking actually has two answers. I do not know the exact time, but somewhere around Hull Number 307, they changed the boat to better represent the reported draft of 5'4. I can promise you that everything before that is no where near 5'4. More like 5'10 with teh wing. A loaded down cruising boat may even exceed that by an inch or two. But in my opinion, out of the box, your boat is probably going to set 5'10 if a HN before 307ish.

The new 400's, which I have been on, are probably more like 5'4 versus 5. I would be shocked if they were 5 unless Gerry changed the thing again. That is how they fixed teh last draft discrepancy. At HN 307ish, they reconfigured the boat which may have given a shallower draft, but also have it a shallower bilge. Reports are that the newer boats do not point as well and may be a but slower... but that part is hear-say since I am not aware of any real (and fair) races being done. But it might make sense from a design point.

The 400 is absolutely my favorite boat Catalina has made. I have sailed and/or owned or been on most of them. The only other boat I would give a sharp look at is teh 445... but whew they want a pretty penny for that boat. The 400 is fast (I did 9.5 coming across the gulf... that is over hull speed), sure footed (one of teh most sure footed I have been on of any boat), and sea kindly even in a gale. The 400 has no realy inherent issues that I am aware of taht are of concern on the MkII's.

I would keep an eye on the steering cables and sheaves. I would put a screen under the master head shower (they used this rediculous centrif pump with no strainer versus a diaphram with strainer... terrible idea). I have already mentioned the draft issues. She does have a bad prop-walk in reverse - but many boats do. There are a few other little things, but nothing that is a big deal. In fact, this boat has had the fewest issues (and no 'real issues') of ANY boat I have been on. GO check on yachtworld for MKII's and you will find that they have held their value VERY well. I have several people that have told me they are actively shopping for a nice 400, but there is not much on the market, which is true of the MKII's.

It's a graet choice for a boat. We have another 400 owner that often takes his boat to Bermuda. I think you will be very happy with it. Feel free to PM or reply back here if you have any other questions.

Take care,

Brian

PS Since you are buying new, have them raise your bottom about three inches if you are going to be doing any extensive cruising. When you load her down, she will sit lower in the water.

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I am another 400 owner that would like to chime in....

Brian reckons she has a bad prop walk, I disagree - mine is backs up beautifully and I have the standard fixed prop. I back it into my slip a lot easier than my previous 30 footer.

No need for a bow thruster IMHO.

I love the C400 and was also looking closely at Beneteaus - nearly bought a used 423.

I have just finished a 9 month cruise to the bahamas and the boat was near perfect for that purpose.

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Details on c400 MK ii

Brian and Jorgen:

Thanks alot for excellent details about the C400. How much could Catalina reduce the draft while still maintaining good stability and pointing? How would they shorten the draft without reducing the keel weight?

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