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...) I guess a crossing has just been something we have both wanted to accomplish on our bucket list so to speak. ..
That's a great ambition. You'll probably come back in a few years after having crossed a couple times in your I.P., and give the rest of us an "education."

For my money, a newer I.P. 35 would be more desirable than an older I.P. 38. Assuming proper equipment and maintenance, I wouldn't hesitate to cross in a boat like that. Whereas, I'd want a much larger Sabre before I felt reasonably comfortable.
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Most of the time I agree with CD. I do agree very much in the sailing characteristics of his post Sailing ability does matter a lot.

To say a 42 foot Sabre is an overpriced Catalina is quite a stretch though. Catalinas would like to be mentioned in the same line, but sorry afraid not. I have respected the Catalina brand and build line always thinking it as step better than the other production boats. Catalinas have good resale value compared to other production boats. They dont change designs every 3 years or model numbers. I like their design in many ways. I have done enough blue water sailing to recognize though that build quality of the hull, deck/ hull joint, bulkheads is important. I will let Jeff also talk about their hull laminating and fabrication comparisons. The cockpit is not at all similar. The Sabre is much smaller and less dangerous in a seaway. Less area to get pooped. Catlina is designed to cruise...mainly coastally. Sabres are that plus are a fast boat. Again no comparison except in very very light winds. Sabre with 100% fore triangle sports a robust 901 sqft while the Catalina is a respectable 808. Sabre displacement is 24,000 while the Catalina comes in at 19,700 which creates a disparaging difference in Displacement length ratio from 230 for the Sabre to 188 for the Catalina. While the Sabre is faster, it has the heft in the larger seas also.

As far as inside comfort, I see very few advantages that a Catalina has over a Sabre. Putting aside individual preferences one does not rise above the other. CD I respect your authority when it comes to the Catalinas, as you own one. Dont you also have some connection in your job with the Catalina Company? I do not say that to impugn your itegrity as I have always found you to be straightforward and honest and have enjoyed your posts and fairness as a moderator. I have to in this case part ways with you. Your analysis of Sabre is inaccurate. I hope some of the Sabre owers step forward and talk about their boats here as they know more about them then I do. If someone gave me a choice between a Sabre 42 or a Catlina 40 for the application lawdawg is stating here, I would not think twice all things being equal in the condition of the boats. Sabre hands down.

By the way I do agree with CD about the Passport. Robust...good living conditions....good tankage....very underestimated in the their speed
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..Dont you also have some connection in your job with the Catalina Company?..
Dave,

I know CD well enough to know that he equally respects your input and would take no offense at your post or any differences of opinion.

But in case Brian/CD is absent for a while (as he sometimes is nowadays with being a full-time live-aboard), I just wanted to reply to the point about CD being employed by Catalina.

To the best of my knowledge, CD has no affiliation with Catalina other than being a loyal owner (he's on what, his 3rd or 4th Catalina?) and a Technical Editor for the C400 Association newsletter. That Tech Ed position is to the best of my knowledge a volunteer slot for the C400 Association. Probably pays about as well as these Sailnet moderator positions.

Unless CD chimes in and says otherwise, I wouldn't want anyone assuming he's on the Catalina corporate payroll.
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John,

I do respect his opinions very much always have. Always will. As I do yours. As I said I was not trying to impugn CDs reputation at all, not my intent. I think he is somewhat proud (biased) as we all are about the boats we own. I knew he didnt work for Catalina as it would be hard for him to be a moderator here. He has always been fair and impartial and I enjoy reading him more than most of the others because he makes sense. He has strong feelings about his boat to the point he is the technical editor for the 400 catalina, and I think that is somewhat why he was/ is so passionate with his opinion. I love that he has involved his family in his passion and his dream. He truly is living his dreram. CD obviously should appear on Grill Masters on the Food Channel though.

People who boats for cruising with children may find features which are more important than a couple cruising.

I thought he was off base comparing Sabres and Catalinas, thats all. Now if CD wanted a true challenge with a Sabre he would challange the 42 to see which boat could "wear" the most grills. I think Catalinas would win hands down.

Brian no offense intended. You are one of my favorites here. BTW If you ever come up to the Chesapeake I sure a grill cookoff could be arranged between you, Shawn (T37chef), and I.
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My money is on CD to blow up the most food...
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There is already a technique for singined food on the outside,,,rare on the inside "Pittsburging". Or did you mean he would just blow upo his grill..**:**)
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lawdawg, there are also a lot of Sabre 38's with a keel stub and centerboard. I've got mixed feelings about inaccessible moving parts under the waterline, but they are sweet boats and if depth is a factor, it might be worth looking at those too.
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Sorry for joining this so late. I'm on travel to the Channel Islands - 2200 miles from the Bay!

Obviously, I'm a huge fan of Sabres. Victoria is our second (we had a 28 for 17 years) and they are extremely well made are no better than an IP. Just different. For a really great summary, pick ip a copy of The World's Best Sailboats - Vol II. Both are profiled. I do my own work and know these boats intimately from bow to stern, so if you have any questions, please IM me. I'll can answer most questions is reasonable depth, having owned the brand since 1987.

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Clearly, the writer has not spent much time on a Sabre. Sorry if that insults, but my father owned 3 Catalinas (22, 27, 30) and I worked for two dealers so I know those boats quite well too. One is a coastal cruiser and the other is offshore capable. I like Catalina, but the statement is not at all accurate.
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Hey, I will respond in a bit. First though, I have ZERO affiliation with Catalina other than being the tech editor for the 400s. That pays ZERO and is nothing but another freebie I do to help out the sailing community (and because no one else would do it).

I will get back wtih more commetns. The Sabre is a better boat... but many of the things I find undesirable in the Catalina for offshore work I also find undersirable in the Sabre. And there are things I actually find more desirable in the catalina that I don't in the sabre... but just hand tight. I realize that the sabre is a better built boat and jeff wil start in about the hull, etc. But my questin was whether it was that much of a better boat and if your intentions are to cross the pond, then is it the right boat at all? Not to say that a Sabre cannot and has not done it... but so has a Catalina(s). And if you are not buying to cross the pond, why bother with it at all?

And remember guys, these are my opinions and I will clearly lay out why they are my opinions and why I feel the way I do. But I also have kids and things that are important to me are not important to others. And I mentioned Catalina, but will also throw out Bene and Jeau as another option. But just hold on while I take care of a few things and don't label me a Sabre hater (snicker... that was a bit of a joke). As far as the IP... well, no comment.

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