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William & John Atkin design.
Captain Cicero
A 29' 10" Knockabout

http://www.atkinboatplans.com/

I'm thinking, why not ask Covey Island to reproduce this for me?
In composite of course, but will it comapre with a First 30?

Are the older designs really that much slower than the new ones???
Number crunchers please advise.
Larry, where are you when I need you?
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Mate.....why put yourself through all that.......if all you want is something to keep your hand in until you buy THE boat....get the First and be done with it.

Buy it, sail it, enjoy it.

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Mate! OMG, that sounds so easy & you almost had me right there!
However, I just wanted a bit of romance, you know?
Remember that? The soul of sailing...
I appreciate what you are saying and I believe you are 8/10ths right. But, I've done the 8/10's before and now I want it all.

Let's say the First is my fallback, but I have a few of those already, remember:
J109, RM 10.50, Pogo 10.50, Wylie 34, Arcona 34, Watson 33, etc..

Ideally, I want to mix these thoroughbreds with the soul of the Atkins Captain Cicero, BCC 28, Shannon 28, Cape George 31, etc,

Does it have to be one or the other?
Am I forced to take Port or Stbd?
Is there no compromise?

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You CAN have it all... the smallest they make is 37...

Spirit Yachts 37

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Then there's always a Hans Christian 33..

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My boat is a Captain Cicero built strip planked and finished with glass. Launched in 1972 I am the 4th owner and am prepping the boat for blue water cruising now.
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William & John Atkin design.
Captain Cicero
A 29' 10" Knockabout

http://www.atkinboatplans.com/

I'm thinking, why not ask Covey Island to reproduce this for me?
In composite of course, but will it comapre with a First 30?

Are the older designs really that much slower than the new ones???
Number crunchers please advise.
Larry, where are you when I need you?
A friend used to build 40 foot fishing boats. Then he decided to build sailboats. He built 3 23 footers and then purchased the molds for the Aloha 26/27/8.2 and built another 2. After building his boat (very nice BTW) he declared quite often that he could have purchased a very nice 40 footer for what the 27 cost him to build

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William & John Atkin design.
Captain Cicero
A 29' 10" Knockabout

http://www.atkinboatplans.com/

I'm thinking, why not ask Covey Island to reproduce this for me?
In composite of course, but will it comapre with a First 30?

Are the older designs really that much slower than the new ones???
Number crunchers please advise.
Larry, where are you when I need you?
Alot of the older design "ocean cruisers" are slow, I have a Captain Cicero actually alot heavier than the design weight (8+ tons)and with reduced sail area (still alot, boom cut down to 15')and she is quick in a light air and it doesn't take much to get here up to hull speed of 6.7knots in anything else.
BTW mine was built in 1972 and sort of composite...top nailed strip plank finished with 2 layers of glass, has held up very well for 40 years



If I could afford to have a boat built from scratch there are few major changes I would make over what I have now.

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The mast is 47' long, three piece laminated Sitka Spruce, basically a solid mast, this provides a strength and flexibility not found in metal along with a significant built in curve.
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