Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maine Coast
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Option: Catalina 36 and 38
Jeff H and Denr,
You guys are a couple of clowns! It must be nice to have little or no life so that you can sit behind a computer screen all day and bash other peoples boats. Your wee wee''s must either be real small or your mommy didn''t teach you any self confidence (small D syndrome). What''s the matter did you over pay for your "quality" coastal cruiser! For at least a few years I have been lurking here and ocasionally posting (when I have something constructive to say). To sit there and crown yourself the be all end all "king" of the Sail Net B.B. is really funny and I have not been laughing with you these last couple of years but at you (not always, some times you know what you are talking about, but mostly you just bash everything). I have logged over 14,000 miles of sailing in my life (sailing before I could walk), my family or I have owned over 26 sailboats and numerous power boats, been reading sailing mags and have also been a lifelong study of boats. One thing I have learned is that "you get what you pay for" in boats is not always true.
The following is a list of boats my family has owned or I have owned personally that we or I would never buy again. Will not buy again list--- J-Boat, Hinckley (Owned a very well built pilot 35 but lots of propietary components that Hinckley rapes you on as well as their maintenance also very very wet boats), Cape Dory (Andy Vavolitis is very nice and has good support but there were so many corners cut on my boat that I lost my shirt when I sold it (things that had been purposly hidden by previous owner so it would not kill the deal and my surveyor never caught them), Certain O''Day''s but not all (owned three different O''Days), Sabre (I owned a Sabre 28 and was treated so badly by the factory (which is 30 minutes from my house) that I cringe every time I see an owner of an older Sabre. They only want to deal with the rich folk buying the new boats! Caliber - the caliber we owned flexed so badly that the gel coat on the interior of the bow started to chip off and had numerous rudder problems!
The list below is boats my family or I would buy again. Tartan - Had a great 27 in the early seventies very nice sailing and relatively dry for it''s day. Pearson - have owned two pearsons over the years a 30 and a 26 both great boats that sailed well and were virtually maintenance free. Island Packet - I don''t think I would ever buy one again if speed were an issue but the factory really stands behind their product. Morris - My dad owned a Morris 26 that was just incredible + Tom and Cuyler Morris are incredible to deal with. Not snobby like the folks down the road at Hinckley they would go out of their way to save you $20.00..etc.etc. Erickson - Had and Erickson in the late seventies. I don''t recall doing anything but painting the bottom on that boat and made money when we sold it! Catalina - I am now on my second Catalina and plan to stay with them for a for a long long time! I have finally found the right mix between price, sailing charactistics, ease of maintenance, room, factory support, resale value, and factory support. I, like you guys, always snubbed my nose at most production boats until I sailed on a neighbors Catalina 30. We bought one the next year! I sold that boat three years later and made $12,600.00 on it and only spent $3000.00 in upgrades! On top of the at my boat sold for full asking price in less than four weeks -$500.00 at closing for a new cutlas bearing found during the survey. When it came time to move up I was only looking at Catalina. We have had nothing but great times and great dealings with the folks at Catalina! Here are two real examples: I needed to replace my original prop shaft on my C-36 and checked with the local prop shop - 460.00 with coupling and a four week lead time! I called Catalina and they shipped me a new Stainless (Aquamet 22) shaft and faced coupling, from their in house machine shop, from CA to ME (plus they pulled my original 1986 build sheet to double check the correct shaft length) in four days for $135.00! I launched my boat on April 17, of this year and realized I had a small leak in my fuel tank. I called Catalina on Monday of this week and ordered a new tank kit. When I got home on Tuesday the tank was on my door step $329.00 (with sending unit, new mount cradles and all hose barbs shut off valve etc.)!!! I aready have the tank half installed and will be sailing by Saturday afternoon. What caused the leak? A stainless screw rolled under the tank and caused galvanic corrosion and eventually the pin hole..
By the way I am for real and not some made up Catalina owner. You can check out my web site if you don''t beleive me! http://home.maine.rr.com/halekai/
If you look closely at the above lists you will notice so called "great boats" listed under will not buy again and so called "cheap" boats listed under "will buy again". As for Catalina not supporting warranty issues thats a lot of hot air! Sure some owners probably called up ranting and raving and put the factory on the defense but I have had nothing but good things to say about Catalina. I got what I paid for a great coastal cruiser with incredible re-sale value in fact I have a buyer waiting for my boat when I''m ready to give her up and I should make close to (according to recent sales) $15,000.00. When I bought my boat it had been on the market for 48 hours!!
What do you guys sail????