What on earth do I buy?? - Page 2 - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 22 Old 11-22-2010
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 8
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Many people will tell you there is nothin wrong with a Hunter or a Catalina, and they are rite... as long as your not looking for sailing efficiency. These boats are comfortable, but not fast and responsive. But, that's just my opinion and I love to race any boat I'm on regardless. I even crew on a friends New Hunter 40, its a shoal draft version, and the boat rarely does'nt finish last and rounds up in more than 25knots. I would recommend getting an opinion from someone you trust and who is unbiast toward these cookie cutters that so many people will recommend only because they own/have owned/ or want to own one. Hell... I've met Bucaneer owners who on the dock will tell me their boat is fast!

Good luck friend, Steve. Hylas 44
sanjuan24racer is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 22 Old 11-22-2010 Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 55
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Thanks Steve

I looked at the beneteau as well as I had the same concerns - maybe thats the middle ground?

I've researched for well over a year now and still I just don't know what to buy - times ticking and to be honest I just want my feet on one
redunculous is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #13 of 22 Old 11-22-2010
Senior Member
 
GeorgeB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Alameda, San Francisco Bay
Posts: 1,840
Thanks: 1
Thanked 54 Times in 53 Posts
Rep Power: 11
 
I have owned my C34 for a little over ten years and have both cruised and raced her pretty extensively so I have a pretty good idea of the product’s capabilities and how she stacks up against the “competition”. I have also raced (2nd place, PacCup, 3rd place Rolex Big Boat Series) other people’s boats so I think I can keep any bias in check.

The 380 was under development at Morgan when Catalina bought them out and Gerry Douglas completed the design with a “Catalina” style interior and some minor tweaks to the rig. I have sailed on that boat a few times and in winds in the mid twenties (TWS) in San Francisco Bay. The boat sailed well and balanced (110 jib). I have not sailed that boat in a heavy sea state, but from what I experienced, she should track well and not be too tiring for the helmsman. The boat does have an ST6000 hydraulic autohelm which is more than capable of handling high sea states in that boat. Rig wise, the 380 has a higher aspect mast than the typlical Catalina and some variants have a baby stay installed. I did not detect any mast pumping on the boat I sailed. I do not track the 380’s pricing so I don’t know if $90k is a good figure or not. Catalinas on the West Coast tend to have a higher resale value for some strange reason. Just be wary of any hurricane boats.

What has impressed me the most about the product line is their relatively high value for the price. They are not constantly redesigning their products and they do use a lot of common parts. They have a high economy of scale. The downside is they do not do custom work, so one Catalina pretty much looks like another (but it does keep the used boat prices high). They do have a fantastic customer support organization (run personally by Frank Butler himself) and the owners are quite loyal and have very active websites. Performance wise, they are not racehorses. My boat rates a 147 here in California, and I need to sail her well in order for her to match her rating. In open YRA, OYRA and SSS competition I am in the front half of the fleets and occasionally finish in the money. A lot of boats mentioned on this BB as being superior, I have prevailed over in racing. The only Hunter I have had the opportunity to race is a Hunter 47 in the Party Circuit. I have never failed to correct out ahead of him and I occasionally beat him boat for boat. Not bad for a “fatty catalina” that’s over ten feet shorter. Sure, I’d love to get my hands on a Sabre 42, but at a half million for a used one, it ain’t happening any time soon.

This photo is from the Double Handed Lightship race a couple of years ago. We finished third.




Last edited by GeorgeB; 11-22-2010 at 08:52 PM.
GeorgeB is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #14 of 22 Old 11-22-2010
Member
 
TheWhiteRabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 43
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bljones View Post
I would kill for a $90K budget. I'd be buying a whole GRIP of boats.


TheWhiteRabbit is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #15 of 22 Old 11-22-2010
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 700
Thanks: 1
Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
Lightbulb

You do realize, I hope, that a 90K budget will get you into a really nice Ericson 38, with change to spare?
olson34 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #16 of 22 Old 11-22-2010
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,370
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by redunculous View Post
For me its pretty much about the interior and the comfort factor.
Comfort where? At the dock, or at sea? They're two very different creatures.
puddinlegs is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #17 of 22 Old 11-23-2010
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
They say that if you can sail the great lakes, you can sail anywhere. I have been sailing Hunters in the great lakes for years. Heavy weather may come quickly and with little warning. Gusts to 55 knots can appear with thunderstorms and my Hunter 340 handles the weather with ease. My priorities are safety, ease of handling and comfort. The Hunter takes full marks for all three.
BGallinger is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #18 of 22 Old 11-23-2010
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 27
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
I am not myself knowledgeable enough to comment, but you might search through Sailingdad's post history here and at Cruiser's Forum. He sails a 40' Catalina and knows a lot about them.
seaparrot is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #19 of 22 Old 11-23-2010
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
Quote:
Originally Posted by seaparrot View Post
I am not myself knowledgeable enough to comment, but you might search through Sailingdad's post history here and at Cruiser's Forum. He sails a 40' Catalina and knows a lot about them.
That would be CRUISINGDAD, not SailingDad... and he's also the technical editor for the Catalina 400 for the Catalina Owner's Association newsletter.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #20 of 22 Old 11-23-2010
Lake Sailor
 
cb32863's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 713
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by puddinlegs View Post
Comfort where? At the dock, or at sea? They're two very different creatures.
+1

Very different, and you can have both.....

Interior comfort is a great thing but, sailing ability, comfort at sea and safety are higher as far as I am concerned. FWIW.

Umquam Porro

S/V Papillon 1977 O' Day 25


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by cb32863; 11-23-2010 at 08:29 AM.
cb32863 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Earth 4 Energy- Has anyone tried this? Freerider Living Aboard 33 05-20-2009 10:25 AM
goggle earth ocean deniseO30 General Discussion (sailing related) 0 05-14-2009 01:12 PM
Heaven on Earth bestfriend General Discussion (sailing related) 7 05-23-2007 08:17 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome