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Holmes 30?

Can anyone provide any information on this boat from the early 70's?

I have searched sailnet and the web and only found that it may have been built (and designed) by John Holmes in Nokomis, Florida. There is one for sale now in FL and another in the Carib. The ad in Florida states that only three were ever built and they were to MORC rules.

It has a PHRF of around 175. Also, it seems to have a big main for a masthead rig (longish boom).

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I know nothing about this boat but the boom doesn't look that long. I wonder about room below with the flush foredeck but it's a pretty boat.

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Fair enough; the boom on the boat in Florida looks like what you would expect on that type of rig. The boat in the Carib, however, looks pretty long.

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I know a little about these boats. I knew John Holmes when I lived on the west coast of Florida in the 1970's and my dad and I had John's yard work on an old wooden boat that we owned. The yard is now closed and I have no idea what John is up to, but the John I knew back then was a real rennaissance man. When I knew him he was restoring old cars, building an airplane and running a highly innovative boat yard. John designed a number of successful motorboat and sailboat designs. Probably the most prolific of his sailboat designs was the Annapolis 25(26).

I think that the Holmes 30 was based on a boat that John built for himself and then built a few more for clients. The one that I knew was called Akvavit and was based in Northern Florida but would show up in Savannah when I lived there.

I always understood that the basic design was based on the IOR-1 rule but that the boat sometimes raced under MORC. In their day, these were morderately competitive boats. They offered reasonably good upwind performance. They became somewhat obsolete as race boats when boats like the J-24, and J-30 came along.

Because of their hull and rigf design, boats like the Holmes 30 were somewhat limited in their ability to move beyond simple displacement mode, where as boats like the J-24 and J-30 with their more efficient keel, proportionately larger sail plan, more flexible sail plan, and higher stability, could were better sailors and faster sailor on most points of sail and across a broader windspeed range. As compared to the MORC boats that replaced early IOR boats like these, boats like the Holmes were especially limited when reaching.

But also, as compared to the MORC style race boats which replaced the Holmes 30, boats like the Holmes also required a larger number of sails in their inventory to sail optimally across a broad range of windspeeds.

When I think about the Holmes 30 today, I think of them in much the same way as boats like the Albin Ballad or the Shipman 28. All of these were very good boats for that era. They point well and sail without any really bad traits (except getting a little squirelly down wind and that is mostly under spinnaker or in heavuer air). They are quite tender, cramped down below and have limited carrying capacity and so are not particularly well suite as an offshore cruiser, but they sail well enough and are cheap enough to make nice daysailors or weekenders. I imagine that you might race them at a club level, but they would be hard boats to race competitively these days.

I like longer boom modification on the boat in the Carribbean. If this does not give the boat wicked weather helm, it would certainly improve the reaching ability of the boat a little, although the hull form would always limit reaching speed and control.

They certainly were pretty boats to look at.

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Have to agree that they are pretty. What a lovely looking thing.

That wheel position is passing strange though. What would be the reason for that ?
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That wheel position is passing strange though. What would be the reason for that ?
We've seen some older Pearsons with the same set-up... on smaller boats it kinda makes sense as it gets the weight of all that gear and the helmsman out of the stern.. but it sure interferes with the companionway.

It would also allow the helmsman some shelter behind the dodger, I suppose....
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A shorter reach for someone below to pass a beer to the helmsman maybe?

I would want a tiller on that boat.
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It was about getting the helmsman in a position where he could look up the slot and better see waves in the days before big wheels. I liked it for cruising because it allows the helmsman to get under the dodger. Also these boats did not tollerate much weight near the transom.
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Jeff,

Thank you for the informed and detailed response. Interesting stuff.

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Michael.
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