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Old 05-19-2011
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Surveyor, surveyor, surveyor.....after you decide which boat pulls at you.

You certainly should not need a new mast...if you do run away!

Standing rigging, they are about the same age on both based on your statements. Really depends on use and care more than age. Many boats still have the same standing rigging 20 or more years later, but it gets costly when it has to be replaced.

20 plus year old sails will need to be replaced if you want performance. The 10 year old sails might be in the same condition as the 20 plus year old sails dependent on use. Some people replace sails every two years because they race and work them hard. Some wait 10 years, and some obviously never replace them based on the Tartan you are looking at. Sails will cost you from under $5,000 to over $15,000 dependent on what you choose.

You will find that boats are a very nice hole to pour your money into. The most important thing is that you find a hole(boat) you really like before you start pouring, because you are most likely not going to get much of it back when and if you sell.

Whatever you do: HAVE IT SURVEYED!!!!!!
Unless it is obvious to you that the tartan mast shows signs of corrosion, or the standing rigging has problems in any of the boats, have them surveyed.

Here you have a simple proceeding to find yourself if the boat has problems on the mast or on the running rigging. If in doubt look for a surveyor:

BoatUS.com - Seaworthy Magazine

Sailboat Rig Problems - J. Stormer

And how about the engine? The tartan has still the old one?

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On the Tartan expect to 100% replace the entire rig, including spars.

Plus engine overhaul


Price those 2 costs
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On the Tartan expect to 100% replace the entire rig, including spars.

Plus engine overhaul


Price those 2 costs
Replace the spars? May I ask why?
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Decide which boat makes your heart happy and then make your decision. I would not assume anything until you look closely at the boat, make your decision, and then offer and survey. You can then re-negotiate based on the survey if it brings up anything critical.

A 20 something boat with original sails has probably not been sailed hard so let a surveyor ( a good one!) tell you what you are looking at. None of us has seen the boat and anything said is an assumption. You don't make purchase decisions on assumptions! Just make certain that you have money in the kitty to fix what your surveyor tells you plus a back up for the unexpected.

Good Luck!
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I doubt the mast and boom would need replacing unless damaged. Especially if the boat was not raced hard. The rigging at 12 years is a maybe, depending on condition.
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The reason behind thinking the spars will need to be replaced:

After 30 years, every single connection on the rig is going to be suspect. The spars maybe ALU but the fittings will be SS. The mast head, mast step, and every single rivet/screw will all be sources of galvanic action.

I am speculating the last time the rig was throughly checked was 12 years ago when the shrouds were replaced.
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We went through a similar decision making process deciding between a 1988 Sabre and a 2001 Beneteau. We ended up buying the Beneteau. Sometimes we wonder if we made the right decision, but the jury is still out. Here are some of the negatives we've discovered about the Beneteau:
  • A grid is used instead of conventional construction and you can't inspect the hull beneath the grid. Also water tends to collect under the grid and the limber holes are not well placed to allow the water to drain to the sump with bilge pump
  • In 5 foot plus seas the bow tends to slam down off of waves making a huge noise with very large shock
  • One cannot safely walk through salon while underway since there are no handholds along the centerline (or close to it)
  • No lee cloths
  • Terrible access to wiring for adding things and/or replacing existing (corroded) wires
  • Very large cockpit with insufficient handholds
The positives are:
  • Much newer boat with good spars and standing rigging
  • Much more space for entertaining
  • Nice swim platform (sugar scoop)
Basically, the Beneteau is not optimized for making offshore passages, but is very nice for entertaining at the dock (or coastal sailing). The opposite would be true of Sabre. Therefore, it all comes down to how you plan to use the boat. Since we are now getting older and plan to spend more time at marinas, we do not necessarily regret our decision.
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I personally would go with the Beneteau since its a decade and a half newer and I just love the way they look both inside and out. It has that bling, bling kind of style when you pull up to a dock, if you know what I mean
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I may be bias and I have never sailed a Tartan. However, I just purchased an 01 Beneteau 311 with lazy jack system and solid Keel. The thing is fast and stable. It virtually sails itself, with just the right amount of windward helm. I don't know who is telling you that the Tartan is a better boat. What is the PHRF on the Tartan? The Beneteau is 141 which makes it very competitive for its class. I really like the full toe rail and the aft rail seats on the 311. I would only buy a boat with a Yanmar diesel I don't trust the other brands. I added another battery under the sink to handle the nav equipment and refrigerator compressor more effectively. I would go with the Beneteau.
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It depends on what you plan on doing with the boat. If you're a weekend sailor with an entertainment budget, buy the Benneteau.

Beneteaus are very pretty, Tartans are a much better built boat. If it were me, I'd examine the spreader mast connection on the Tartan then note the engine hours. If less than 5000 hours and the spreader mast connections show no corrosion, and all other things were even, I'd make an offer on the Tartan less what new 1 x19 wire and staylocks would cost to replace the standing rigging.
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