Seeking sub-PHRF 150 26-35 ft

[TALLCOOLONE]

I'm seeking a sub-PRHF 150 in a 26-34 foot range with a draft of 4.5' or less. Most be a tiller or factory ready for a tiller. Racing against Olson 25's, J80, S2 7.9, I like the following: Tripp 33(mod), C&C 33-2, 35-3, Rodgers 33, Express 27, Beneteau 310, Columbia 30, 32, Cal 33-2. $25-45k Any other suggestions? Wisconsin Great Lakes Area

[puddinlegs]

Originally Posted by TALLCOOLONE

I'm seeking a sub-PRHF 150 in a 26-34 foot range with a draft of 4.5' or less. Most be a tiller or factory ready for a tiller. Racing against Olson 25's, J80, S2 7.9, I like the following: Tripp 33(mod), C&C 33-2, 35-3, Rodgers 33, Express 27, Beneteau 310, Columbia 30, 32, Cal 33-2. $25-45k Any other suggestions? Wisconsin Great Lakes Area

Tripp 33? Must be pretty modified to draw less than 4 1/2'... seems it'd take a large performance hit for a boat that normally draws 7'. How was it changed? Of the boats you've listed with a 4.5 draft for phrf, I'd go with the Express 27. Sails will be smaller and generally much more affordable to run than the Tripp (Carrol Marine? That's not generally a positive.. Alsberg Bros boats are much better built) but of course, won't be as cruise friendly as the other boats you've listed. A Santa Cruz 27 would work, but I don't know that there are many in the Great Lakes. A Melges 24' in your price range is a possibility. 30+ foot boats with less than 4.5' of draft that will go to weather well? That's a tough one.

[JimsCAL]

Not many boats over 30 foot are going to come with a tiller. Those that do are going to be racing oriented and almost surely have a deep keel. Shoal draft and a tiller is going to be tough.

FWIW, my Cal 33-2 shoal goes to weather surprisingly well. Rating is 138 vs 132 for the deep keel version. Draft is 4'8" so just above your limit. The Tartan 33 and 34-2 with the Sheel keel might be worth considering.

[blt2ski]

Laser 28, J30, J29, Hotfoot(s), Farr 1020, to name a few more.

Marty

[puddinlegs]

Originally Posted by JimsCAL

Not many boats over 30 foot are going to come with a tiller. Those that do are going to be racing oriented and almost surely have a deep keel. Shoal draft and a tiller is going to be tough.

FWIW, my Cal 33-2 shoal goes to weather surprisingly well. Rating is 138 vs 132 for the deep keel version. Draft is 4'8" so just above your limit. The Tartan 33 and 34-2 with the Sheel keel might be worth considering.

The OP's looking for a PHRF race boat, so a tiller is very appropriate. Unfortunately a scheel keel is going to make it very difficult to win any pickle dishes so it's not really a good option for racing though nice for reducing draft. Blt2ski's suggestions are great, but even many on his list are going to draw more than 4 and a half feet, which gets us back to the Express. Maybe a J-27 as well?

[JimsCAL]

Originally Posted by puddinlegs

The OP's looking for a PHRF race boat, so a tiller is very appropriate. Unfortunately a scheel keel is going to make it very difficult to win any pickle dishes so it's not really a good option for racing though nice for reducing draft. Blt2ski's suggestions are great, but even many on his list are going to draw more than 4 and a half feet, which gets us back to the Express. Maybe a J-27 as well?

Don't disagree. He did however list boats like C&C 33, C&C 35-3 and Cal 33-2 as under consideration. The Tartan 33 and 34-2 are certainly in that same category and do meet his draft requirement. And they have done pretty well in PHRF racing over the years. I get the impression he is after a dual-purpose racer-cruiser. Otherwise he would just go get one of the boats he indicated he was racing against (S2 7.9, J80, etc.).

[hellosailor]

Tall, how big is your local PHRF fleet? And what are the top ten boats in the fleet, for each of the last 3 years?

Sometimes PHRF numbers don't reflect who wins on corrected times. Sometimes a fast boat also has a narrow slot, and has to be trimmed and sailed "just so" to make that speed, while a nominally slower boat is easier to get up to speed, and keep there, in a variety of conditions.

Which is why it might pay more to see who's been winning locally, and see what they are sailing, not just look at the numbers.

There are also some boats that can't meet their numbers unless they have the full crew allocation up on the rail--and if you aren't blessed with lots of reliable regular crew...those boats won't hit their numbers either.

fwiw.

[thehardaground]

If you get rid of that 4'6" draft requirement add Tarten 10 to your list.

[puddinlegs]

Originally Posted by thehardaground

If you get rid of that 4'6" draft requirement add Tarten 10 to your list.

Ding! Nice suggestion!

[chef2sail]

NO need to settle...We have a C&C35MKIII with a keel centerboard. 4'5"-6'8", PRHF rating of 127. She is quick, points extremely well, wipes out a lot of larger Tartans, Bene, Catalinas and others in racing outright as well as rated races.

It was built as a racer/ cruiser and she shows her legs well. She is also a comfortable cruiser with many amenities and is kind in a seaway for a lighter 35 footer. We have sailed her from the Chesapeake to New England and Long Island Sound every summer and she is fine in larger seas and heavy weather. She can be tender in winds around 25 when the decision to reef...not to reef is on the border.

35 C&C are a 1 class race design boat with many clubs on the Great Lakes having just C&C 35 races. Ccheck on out, If you find one in good condtion go for it you wont be sorry.

In the last boat I buy I know I will nolt be able to find a faster better pointer than the one I have,,,thats whats taking me so long pulling the trigger. I dont want to give up what I have yet.

For more info on C&C 35 feel free to PM me.

Dave