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Aw, wd, come on. Play fair. I'm willing to stipulate that you believe you build great boats if you'll quit making me read advertising disguised as posts.
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I know that... my point was at the other end of the sentence.
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Maine,

Just the facts -

Morris spends a significant amount of it's new boat revenues on marketing. This is easy enough to estimate.

The Morris build quality is certainly well above production boat builders such as Catalina, Beneteau, or Hunter, but not significantly different than any of the build to order series sailboats on offer in the US.

Morris day sailors tend to be sluggish in the water.




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Yacht's are different.

I remember an old Jean Shepard's America where he defines a yacht (if you're not old like me, bet you can find these on youtube).

He describes a scene as a young boy sitting near a waterway with his dad. Watching working boats go by, eventually a boat goes by his dad describes as a yacht. He asks his dad what a yacht is. He says that "a yacht is a boat that doesn't do anything." It doesn't carry cargo, it doesn't fish for profit, .......

No one needs a yacht. No one needs to do business with a particular builder. We do this because we enjoy the entire experience. This includes choosing, buying, conversations with others about boats, reading posts on sailnet, working with builders, working with brokers, getting things just right on the boat you own right now, dreaming about the next boat, sailing, cruising, racing, passage making, grilling off the stern rail,.... It's all good. The right boat for you is different than the right boat for me. That's part of what makes it fun.

I'm on boat 5 now, which happens to be a Morris. Morris is old time Maine, do business with a handshake, deliver what you promise, quality and care beyond the specification, pride in workmanship, a personal connection with everyone from layup through paint; not lawyers and contracts, not hubris, about quietly doing the right thing.

Yup, I'm a biased happy owner, and through that process have a number of friends up in Bass Harbor. No other affiliation.
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Thanks for the compliment, you aren't the first that describes our Harbor line as Bentley of sailboats.

However - Morris day sailors are certainly better than Fords.

Clever clever... I most certainly was not complimenting you're product lines. Carl Schumaker / S&S you're not. You're in the industry. Act like a pro, not a sales stooge

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Cape cod,

Certainly all true about the experience of purchase. Morris spends a lot of effort on creating that experience for their owner's - they do a fine job of marketing and creating a ambiance about their product.

The rest - curious why everyone is so defensive about Morris.

I haven't bashed their quality, just said their build quality is similar to the other build to order builders. We do some of their warranty work in Southern California and have a fairly deep understanding of their level of build quality.

It is my sincere calculus that the reason Morris price their boats so extravagantly isn't because they cost so much to build, rather because Morria spends a very high percentage of their revenues on Marketing - as aptly described by many in this thread.

And yes, industry insiders have described our Harbor line as Bentleys of sailboats. We don't spend hardly anything on marketing, so we can put more into the boat.
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Personally I took offense to you're placing a complement in my mouth. Not knowing you, it's difficult to read as anything other than being a kind of childish putdown. There are many nice boats on the market and choices are as much emotional as anything else that we invest in. The point being is that folks who want a Morris will do their damndest to have one regardless of what you or I think about their construction or marketing costs. A Swan customer isn't going to buy a Morris, and chances are your customers aren't going to buy a King/Mills boat. Personally I wish Pacific Boat Works, and Alsberg Bros were still in biz and that Carl and George where still here and drawing lines, but that's just me.
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Certainly all true about the experience of purchase. Morris spends a lot of effort on creating that experience for their owner's - they do a fine job of marketing and creating a ambiance about their product.

The rest - curious why everyone is so defensive about Morris.

I haven't bashed their quality, just said their build quality is similar to the other build to order builders. We do some of their warranty work in Southern California and have a fairly deep understanding of their level of build quality.

It is my sincere calculus that the reason Morris price their boats so extravagantly isn't because they cost so much to build, rather because Morria spends a very high percentage of their revenues on Marketing - as aptly described by many in this thread.

And yes, industry insiders have described our Harbor line as Bentleys of sailboats. We don't spend hardly anything on marketing, so we can put more into the boat.
I don't think that anyone has been defensive about Morris. I think people have just been trying to tell you that on this friendly site, your unrelenting bashing of a competitor does not reflect well on you or on your product. Put simply, you are not helping your cause by putting down the other guys.
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I can single hand my Tartan '34 fairly easily. Has one electric winch and self tacking jib. However I usually add sheets to the self tacking jib anyway as the sail shape is improved with increased control. Boat handles rough water well.

Boat sells for around $200,000 new. The '37 is a significant step up in cost.

Don't see many on the secondary market. Found mine used in FL.

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