Morris - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Chat  
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Boat Review and Purchase Forum
 Not a Member? 


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 06-09-2011
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: San Diego
Posts: 18
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
aquestforfun is on a distinguished road
Morris

My wife and I had the pleasure of sailing a Morris M36 recently and loved the experience. This boat is a true single handed vessel with a self tacking jib and push button sail control. We currently sail a Catalina 42 which is a great boat but as we get older less work and fewer crew would be nice. I have a hard time spending $400,000 for the Morris M36. They only sell about 6 a year so even the used ones hold their value. Does anyone know of any similar designed sailboats that might be at a lower price point? thanks
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 06-09-2011
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Southern California
Posts: 649
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
WDS123 is on a distinguished road
there are a number of fine day sailors out there. The M36 is a bit of a pig in light airs, but a fine looking vessel. Here are the main day sailors

Schock Harbor 14,20, 25, and 30
Alerion Express 20, 28, and 33

The Schocks tend to be faster upwind and drier than their Alerion counterparts. The Alerions have a fair amount of wood trim on the exterior which appeals to people. Prices are that the Alerions tend to be 25-40% more expensive than a similarly equipped Schock.

Alerions are built in RI by Pearson Marine Group which has experienced some serious financial difficulties as a result of some serious quality issues and rework they had to perform on some Naval Academy training sailboats.

Dunn and Bradstreet recently rated Pearson Marine Group 1 on a scale of 1-100 for financial stability. 100 being strongest and 1 being weakest.

Schocks are built in Southern California by the WD Schock company founded in 1946. Full Disclosure - I work for WD Schock, but everything stated here is factual.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 06-09-2011
junkrig's Avatar
Both ends are pointy.
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Missouri
Posts: 228
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 4
junkrig is on a distinguished road
For ease of sailing nothing matches the modern junk rig. No jib = no jib sheets. Reef all or part in under 10 seconds. Flying gybe can't break anything, the mast is free standing. You never have to go out on the foredeck except to anchor, and presumably that won't be in the teeth of a howling gale.
To tack, put the helm over. To tack again put it over the other way.
With all lines properly led to the helm you never have to move.
Unfortunately, factory junk-rigged vessels are rare; one often has to go with custom builds or conversions. That said, very good junk-rigged boats in the 35 to 40 foot range can be bought way below $400,000.00. Like say 75k to 125k range.
If you get a junk you definitely want modern cambered sails. Old style flat sails are weak to windward.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Seablossom Nor'Sea 27 with modern junk rig.
Just because I like it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 06-09-2011
Maine Sail's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maine Coast
Posts: 5,653
Thanks: 15
Thanked 163 Times in 128 Posts
Rep Power: 16
Maine Sail is just really nice Maine Sail is just really nice Maine Sail is just really nice Maine Sail is just really nice
Quote:
Originally Posted by aquestforfun View Post
My wife and I had the pleasure of sailing a Morris M36 recently and loved the experience. This boat is a true single handed vessel with a self tacking jib and push button sail control. We currently sail a Catalina 42 which is a great boat but as we get older less work and fewer crew would be nice. I have a hard time spending $400,000 for the Morris M36. They only sell about 6 a year so even the used ones hold their value. Does anyone know of any similar designed sailboats that might be at a lower price point? thanks
Go visit the Catalina factory and watch them build a boat then go to see Cuyler and the boys up in Trenton and then tell me that the price is too much... You can't compare the construction quality of a Morris to much outside of its price class. There are no cut corners on a Morris and attention to detail is about as good as it gets. Some models of Morris Yachts today sell for more money that they originally sold for. Can't say that about to many boats...

I have had the opportunity to visit many boat builders and Morris really sets themselves apart. To truly understand a Morris and their price you need to see how they are built...
__________________
______
-Maine Sail / CS-36T


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.




© Images In Posts Property of Compass Marine Inc.


Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 06-10-2011
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,370
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 9
puddinlegs is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by aquestforfun View Post
Does anyone know of any similar designed sailboats that might be at a lower price point? thanks

The Morris 29... Sorry about that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 06-10-2011
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: San Diego
Posts: 18
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
aquestforfun is on a distinguished road
Thanks for the comments. I will check out the 2 boats mentioned above. I took a tour of the boats with Cuyler Morris and someone from the sail staff. I don't disagree that these are extra fine boats and probably better build boats than most so I am not questioning the price they are selling them for. When I asked them what the warrantee was they salesman just stuck out his hand and said this is it. Don't be concerned we will treat you like family long after your purchase. I believe them. Although for legal reasons they do have a spelled out warrantee. I just don't want to pay it if I can get a decent single handed sailer for much less. My wife was more than ready to sign on the dotted line but I never buy things on emotion even though they made it tempting. As far as the 29 my we are not interested as the head is in a place that is anything but private. BTW they are having their annual boat show at the end of July for 3 days which we are going to attend. If anyone is close enough to Bass Harbor Main its more than worth the visit. Thanks
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 06-10-2011
BarryL's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 1,721
Thanks: 3
Thanked 38 Times in 33 Posts
Rep Power: 12
BarryL is on a distinguished road
Hello,

What about the Sabre Spirit
Sailboat Hand Crafted in Maine; Sabre Spirit Sailing Yacht

or the J boat J 100
J/100 Weekender-Daysailer: The Ultimate in Day Sailing Freedom- The Ultimate 33 ft Sailboat For Sailors Who Love Day-sailing.

Barry
__________________
Barry Lenoble
Deep Blue C, 2002 C&C 110
Mt. Sinai, NY

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 06-10-2011
Barking Dog
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Boston
Posts: 236
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 10
KindOfBlue is on a distinguished road
You can check out the e 33
__________________
Craig
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 06-10-2011
blt2ski's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 6,807
Thanks: 0
Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts
Rep Power: 10
blt2ski will become famous soon enough
Assuming you are looking for ease of sailing, Tartan, Hanse and IIRC some Newer Jeanneau's have a self tacking jib option. As do some of the more recent added boat brands etc. Granted the ones I mentioned do not have the M36 or equal looks, Then again, the J100 does not have that look either. BUT, they are daysailor/weekend boats.

Marty
__________________
She drives me boat,
I drives me dinghy!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 06-10-2011
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Southern California
Posts: 649
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
WDS123 is on a distinguished road
Morris spends some 25-45% of it's revenue on Marketing, that is money not going into your boat.

Aside from some nice glued on wood trim and clever castings, Morris build quality is similar to other build to order sailboats.

Morris warranty issues are fairly similar to other build to order boats ( at least on their boats in the West Coast )

The most significant downside of the Morris daysailor line is that they are simply sluggish in the water.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Morris Leigh 30? UrbanChicago Boat Review and Purchase Forum 10 05-20-2010 04:45 PM
New Morris Daysailer AjariBonten Sailboat Design and Construction 16 01-30-2009 05:43 PM
Morris Yachts sailing320 Boat Review and Purchase Forum 8 01-05-2009 07:11 PM
Tom Morris stm General Discussion (sailing related) 0 12-09-2008 06:38 PM
Tom Morris has passed away. petmac General Discussion (sailing related) 1 12-08-2008 09:53 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:14 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.