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DR Ferron is right about one thing, having someone alongside a surveyor is a great education for the buyer. Having a buyer do their own survey is good too, however a good marine surveyor has tools (such as a moisture meter, ultrasonic meter, etc..) and the experieince and may see things that may be hidden or go unnoticed from the self-surveyor. I always invite and encourage potential boat buyers to come along with me and to ask me questions when I survey a boat. As a surveyor myself, I always learn something new on every survey. Remember that something a surveyor finds might save the boat owner thousands of dollars in the long run.
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Well, here's an update... I could only find one marine surveyor within a reasonable driving distance, so I chose that surveyor sight unseen. He arrived on-time, dressed in his SAM hat/shirt and that was the bright spot. He had a bad hip and wasn't very mobile at all. In fact, he never stepped foot on the boat. He had asked for the SJ21 to be out of the water, so we had it up on the trailer. Unfortunately, between his advanced age and bad hip, there was no way he was going to get up on the boat. He tapped the deck using a golf ball and looked at the mast and the rigging. He didn't look at the keel nor did he check below for any moisture issues.

Anyway, we purchased the SJ21 and will hope for the best... You all were right, it was certainly a "learning experience".

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Well, here's an update... I could only find one marine surveyor within a reasonable driving distance, so I chose that surveyor sight unseen. He arrived on-time, dressed in his SAM hat/shirt and that was the bright spot. He had a bad hip and wasn't very mobile at all. In fact, he never stepped foot on the boat. He had asked for the SJ21 to be out of the water, so we had it up on the trailer. Unfortunately, between his advanced age and bad hip, there was no way he was going to get up on the boat. He tapped the deck using a golf ball and looked at the mast and the rigging. He didn't look at the keel nor did he check below for any moisture issues.
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"In fact, he never stepped foot on the boat."

I hope you send a letter in to SAM describing your survey. On my planet, when a surveyor does not board the boat, does not look at the keel...that's called a "drive by survey".

Usually done on the way from the drive-in liquor store window (yes, there really are such things) to the drive-in stripper club.

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"Drive by survey" is a good description. He certainly walked around the boat several time and since the SJ21 is lowish profile, he was able to tap all over the deck using the golf ball, but... The fact that he never got in the cockpit or went below was disturbing, but I wasn't confident enough to call him out. So, before I contact SAM, is it considered standard to use a moisture meter and go below? Obviously on a boat this "simple" there weren't any systems to evaluate, but going below and stepping foot in the cockpit is a minimum, right?

What's weird is that he talked about a 53 foot Hatteras and a 42 foot Sea Ray that he just surveyed earlier in the week and was still working on the written report, so he made me feel like he was qualified...

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Getting aboard and checking the condition of the deck, chainplates, gunnel, evidence of water intrusion and many others is absolutely required. Call SAMS now.

Did he check the condition of the sails?
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He did look at each sail briefly and was able to see the chainplates by stepping up on the trailer, but he never got in the cockpit, walked on the deck or went below. I'll reach out to SAM and let them know...
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Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with your boat. The deck fitting should be viewable from above, but the chainplates should be below and are critical. Maybe it's on the side of your cockpit. Again, not familiar.
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You can always take the diplomatic approach:

"Dear SAMS, I'm new to boats so I replied on the SAMS credential to hire my first surveyor. Even though it is a small boat, wouldn't a surveyor have to go below to tell me if there really are any problems down there?"

You get the picture.

Even on a trailer boat...if there's any wood, settees, bulkheads, chainplate mounts, floors...

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Just a side note about re-coring. In my book, if the boat looks well loved and maintained, re-coring, especially if done well, is just more evidence that someone really cared for the boat. There's much to judge a boat by. Don't let common repairs to older boats scare you away.
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