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Thank you Jeff and Bob for all of the thought provoking information. I need to digest all of this and perhaps reevaluate my list.
I wasn''t thinking of doing any off shore trips by myself. I hope to relocate as a liveaboard to the Virgin Islands and that would be the area where I would single hand. I worked on charter boats there for several years and usually the winds were above 15. So getting the boat to go isn''t a real concern, more of a concern is handling sails. I had thought that I could install larger winches, perhaps electric.
Goals....well most of all I just want to live on my own boat and enjoy life. Again, thanks for your responses.
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This discussion has been a great help. After re-reading it, I still have one issue in my mind that is unresolved.

JeffH, if I may, I would like for you to take a different approach to your boat selection (your way is ass-backwards from mine). Using the numbers you have used above lets say I''m looking at 2 sailboats of the SAME length - 40''. Boat A is a cruiser/racer with a 12,000lb displacement and boat B is a cruiser that displaces 22,000 lbs. As suggested earlier, we load her with 2000lbs for an extended cruise. Again, both boats are 40''. I realize that the heavier boat will need more sail to move her and the issues that come with that. 1) which boat should be more seakindly in heavy weather? AND 2) Won''t the lighter boat''s sailing characteristics be more negatively effected by the additional weight?

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I have been following this thread with great interest. I had spent many years searching for the "perfect" boat...FOR ME. What I may find ideal, others may find, well, odd. I follow what Jeff H is saying, and my final choice would be somewhat in line with what he has been saying here. I have a 37'' boat that displaces roughly 11,000# with about 5,500# in her keel. This boat is very easily driven, and works well in almost all conditions.

When it comes to loading up 2,000# worth of gear, two things will affect that the most. First, hull form. A boat with greater wetted surface, (you know, the part below the waterline) will be able to better support the additional weight. My light weight boat may be able to better support the addtional weight than the heavier boat due to my wider beam and greater surface I have to support the addtional weight. So the increase in weight may have less of an impact on the hull being "pressed into" the water. You would see less of a change in my waterline, so to speak.

The second is where the additional weight is placed. I may be a little off the mark, but if all that weight is stowed high up and away from the CG of the vessel, it will make the boat less stable. Keeping the weight close to the boats CG will have less of an effect on the boats stability.

I have sailed "traditional" designs in rough weather, and while they have slower motions through the water, I have usually found them to be wet rides. Plowing through waves and heavy chop as opposed to riding over them. Many more "Greenies" rolling aft than on a lighter design.

But there is no perfect design, for if there were, we would all be sailing the same thing!

I like lighter weight, easily driven designs. You can still have a robust vessel that just doesn''t weigh alot. The other day, I was out in 25-30kts with a 3-5''chop. Just my main, and I was cruising quite comfortably at 7kts. I watched as heavier, "Cruising" designs were struggling to keep up with reefed mains and luffing jibs. My passengers and I were having a wonderful time, t-shirts and bathing suits, enjoying the blustery day, while the "Cruisers" were hunkered down in full foulies, getting soaked. Hey, to each there own!
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Where would the J-30 fit into this point of view ... as a decent single handed cruiser?
I looked at one this week. Lots to like, I thought.
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The J-30 is a tough boat to classify. In its day the J-30 was revolutionary. From the viewpoint of the late 1970''s, they provided excellent performance, on the par with racing 40 footers of the day. They could be raced one design or cruised by a couple. The fractional rig and bendy rig made them a good single-hander as viewed from a 1970''s context. They were reasonably well constructed and low maintenance boats.

But they are a 25 year old design and a lot has happened in those 25 years. For one thing J-30''s were incredibly beamy and lightly balasted. As a result they counted on a lot of crew on the rail in a breeze. They are actually comparatively heavy which means that they are a little less forgiving than they might have been. I have always found them sommewhat of a blunt instrument compared to boats like the J-27 and J-22 that followed them. Thier cockpits are quite cramped and as originally delivered their hardware was not the most user friendly. Compared to slightly later boats, (Laser 28s for example) sailing them was sort of the sailing equivalent of kissing your sister. There are construction issues with these boats that are reasonably well understood.

Still and all, they are basically good boats. They can make a good family cruiser or single-hander. They offer reasonably good performance and accomodations as compared to slightly earlier designs like a Pearson 30 and are certainly easier boats to short-hand.

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Thank you Jeff. I understand the "kissing my sister" idea... and I was unaware of the existence of a Laser 28. They certainly look more like what we are shopping for. The "admiral" would be more comfortable with its layout than a J-30''s. The Pearson 30 was considered already.

Do you know of any Laser 28''s "out there"?

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You might try the Laser 28 website. There are usually a half dozen or more for sale at any time. I owned one for 13 or so years and really loved the boat.

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Hi,
what you think about http://hyip-list.com ?
It was a hyip LIST befor some months. And now..... only info site.
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Despite the fact that the thread is over three years old, what does this post have to do with the original thread?
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Hubert is a spammer...so it has nothing to do with the thread.

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